The Celebrity Abusers Thread

[westlondonmist]

7 minutes ago, Chris B said:

There's also the question about what prison is actually for. Is it about punishment or about rehabilitation? We've talked about this a little in the death penalty thread, but a jail system that isn't centred around rehabilitation is a societally depressing idea. 

I think the ideas talked about above on the concurrent/part of same pattern points are what tie in here - you're removing someone from society with the goal of them being able to eventually return. Adding the sentences on top of each other feels more satisfying, I agree. But if the judgement includes severity and the pattern already, then I think that makes some sense.

That said, I'm in favour of generally longer sentences, especially around sexual assault. I just think the work on rehabilitation should also be done and we should do better work around re-integration afterwards.

Why can't it be both? I'd rather have them consectutive and if the convict accepts the help to rehabilitate or actively tries themself then a sentence can be lowered or get earlier release. If they don't then they have to face the punnishment that comes with it.

[SuperBacon]

31 minutes ago, Ironic Indie Lad said:

He's been dropped by Labour Party

In what capacity was he involved with the Labour Party?

[RedTwoster]

Just now, SuperBacon said:

In what capacity was he involved with the Labour Party?

He was a member of the party and they've suspended his membership (link to The I), so he wasn't involved in any official capacity; only in a way that any of us could be if we wanted to stump up the membership fees. 

Maybe he's done other things for them that I'm unaware of though, but as best as I can tell, this is all it was.  

[d-d-d-dAz]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DfkIa5Rsbr6/?cplk=dDVrbTlqdXAzMmEz

This doesn't look ideal for Jonathan Ross, in terms of building his 'I had no idea' story...

[WyattSheepMask]

59 minutes ago, westlondonmist said:

Why can't it be both? I'd rather have them consectutive and if the convict accepts the help to rehabilitate or actively tries themself then a sentence can be lowered or get earlier release. If they don't then they have to face the punnishment that comes with it.

Isn’t that basically what Parole is?

[Lion_of_the_Midlands]

6 minutes ago, d-d-d-dAz said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DfkIa5Rsbr6/?cplk=dDVrbTlqdXAzMmEz

This doesn't look ideal for Jonathan Ross, in terms of building his 'I had no idea' story...

Ross's lawyers have already been out to say he didn't write the joke. I'm not sure that's the get out he thinks it is but there you go. 

As for the punishment/rehab/both debate that has come along, here is my take for what it's worth. To be rehabilitated you have to show some genuine remorse for what you have done. As of yet Brand has shown no remorse, in fact he got his lawyer to blame the victims as much as he could at the trial, which I would argue is not the actions of a remorseful man. I'm sure Brand will be more remorseful after he has been C wings bitch for a few years but I doubt that it will be genuine. As for Walliams, again I would argue that trying to take out a super injunction to prevent anyone reporting on your actions and trying to invoke the human rights act as defence is anything but remorseful. I hope he doesn't kill himself. I hope he faces the punishment he deserves if these allegations are found to be true in court. The public shaming he is receiving should only be the start not the finish.