The Celebrity Abusers Thread

[westlondonmist]

7 minutes ago, Chris B said:

There's also the question about what prison is actually for. Is it about punishment or about rehabilitation? We've talked about this a little in the death penalty thread, but a jail system that isn't centred around rehabilitation is a societally depressing idea. 

I think the ideas talked about above on the concurrent/part of same pattern points are what tie in here - you're removing someone from society with the goal of them being able to eventually return. Adding the sentences on top of each other feels more satisfying, I agree. But if the judgement includes severity and the pattern already, then I think that makes some sense.

That said, I'm in favour of generally longer sentences, especially around sexual assault. I just think the work on rehabilitation should also be done and we should do better work around re-integration afterwards.

Why can't it be both? I'd rather have them consectutive and if the convict accepts the help to rehabilitate or actively tries themself then a sentence can be lowered or get earlier release. If they don't then they have to face the punnishment that comes with it.

[SuperBacon]

31 minutes ago, Ironic Indie Lad said:

He's been dropped by Labour Party

In what capacity was he involved with the Labour Party?

[RedTwoster]

Just now, SuperBacon said:

In what capacity was he involved with the Labour Party?

He was a member of the party and they've suspended his membership (link to The I), so he wasn't involved in any official capacity; only in a way that any of us could be if we wanted to stump up the membership fees. 

Maybe he's done other things for them that I'm unaware of though, but as best as I can tell, this is all it was.  

[d-d-d-dAz]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DfkIa5Rsbr6/?cplk=dDVrbTlqdXAzMmEz

This doesn't look ideal for Jonathan Ross, in terms of building his 'I had no idea' story...

[WyattSheepMask]

59 minutes ago, westlondonmist said:

Why can't it be both? I'd rather have them consectutive and if the convict accepts the help to rehabilitate or actively tries themself then a sentence can be lowered or get earlier release. If they don't then they have to face the punnishment that comes with it.

Isn’t that basically what Parole is?

[Lion_of_the_Midlands]

6 minutes ago, d-d-d-dAz said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DfkIa5Rsbr6/?cplk=dDVrbTlqdXAzMmEz

This doesn't look ideal for Jonathan Ross, in terms of building his 'I had no idea' story...

Ross's lawyers have already been out to say he didn't write the joke. I'm not sure that's the get out he thinks it is but there you go. 

As for the punishment/rehab/both debate that has come along, here is my take for what it's worth. To be rehabilitated you have to show some genuine remorse for what you have done. As of yet Brand has shown no remorse, in fact he got his lawyer to blame the victims as much as he could at the trial, which I would argue is not the actions of a remorseful man. I'm sure Brand will be more remorseful after he has been C wings bitch for a few years but I doubt that it will be genuine. As for Walliams, again I would argue that trying to take out a super injunction to prevent anyone reporting on your actions and trying to invoke the human rights act as defence is anything but remorseful. I hope he doesn't kill himself. I hope he faces the punishment he deserves if these allegations are found to be true in court. The public shaming he is receiving should only be the start not the finish. 

[neil]

Other than Jonathan Ross I couldn't help but be watching GBBO the other day and wonder how nervous Noel might be these days.

[IANdrewDiceClay]

Ross is a powerful man. His ability to get those photos of Jane Goldman and Sean Hughes holding hands wiped from the internet is a testament to that. That and nobody ever mentioning he used to go out with her when even David Walliams would go "bit young that, mate."

Edited 3 hours ago by IANdrewDiceClay

[wordsfromlee]

12 minutes ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

Ross is a powerful man. His ability to get those photos of Jane Goldman and Sean Hughes holding hands wiped from the internet is a testament to that. That and nobody ever mentioning he used to go out with her when even David Walliams would go "bit young that, mate."

Not forgetting the fact that he somehow managed to keep his job after the Andrew Sachs scandal as well as no one ever really mentioning the time he exposed himself on the radio.

 

[Lion_of_the_Midlands]

Having just heard the start of the new Private Eye podcast it is unbelievable to find out that Brand's barrister Ian Winter normally handles financial and fraud cases. The only cases outside of that other than Brand are defending the former Tory MP and convicted sex offender Charlie Elphicke and Harold Shipman...

[Chili]

Ross is both very powerful, but I also think not anywhere near the Brand / Walliams stuff (I'm very aware of the age of Jane Goldman when he met her etc). I think he's one of those "gets giddy around the proper naughty boys" types and a bit of an overgrown edgelord a bit. So when Brand did his Sachsgate stuff, Ross was all in on adrenaline and the "oh goddddd, we're being right little scamps" of it all, and because Brand was a big, young name then, so a bit of Steve Bucemi with a skateboard. That's always how I've seen Ross, I mean, out of nowhere a shit load of proper bad stuff might just pop up, but unlike the Brand stuff or Walliams, I've not really heard much that says he's next for the gallows. The same with Noel Fielding. There's the Geldof stuff, but beyond that, and I know it sounds incredibly naive, but I've not really heard much other than "you get the vibe" and because of one of his now convicted mates. 

[Hannibal Scorch]

2 hours ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

Ross is a powerful man. His ability to get those photos of Jane Goldman and Sean Hughes holding hands wiped from the internet is a testament to that. That and nobody ever mentioning he used to go out with her when even David Walliams would go "bit young that, mate."

Not quite. The youngest person was 15 that I’ve seen.

We never let my daughter read his shit books and I’m glad he’s been revealed for the creep he is. 

[Jazzy G]

I'm trying to remember where I read that he'd allegedly been told to drop a chapter of his biography because it was about the relationship he had with his sister. Allegedly. 

[Joe Blog]

8 minutes ago, Jazzy G said:

I'm trying to remember where I read that he'd allegedly been told to drop a chapter of his biography because it was about the relationship he had with his sister. Allegedly. 

It was on here. Someone said their brother/sister worked in publishing and it was a well known secret about that chapter but no one would release it. M

[Browser Brady]

21 minutes ago, Jazzy G said:

I'm trying to remember where I read that he'd allegedly been told to drop a chapter of his biography because it was about the relationship he had with his sister. Allegedly. 

It was reported in the PopBitch newsletter also.