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I don’t watch WWE anymore, 

It isn’t the be all and end all of wrestling, there is so much more to choose from nowadays, sure I keep up with the results but all I need to do is read them and know I don’t want to watch, for me New Japan is where it’s at now.

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6 minutes ago, TildeGuy~! said:

I don’t watch WWE anymore, 

It isn’t the be all and end all of wrestling, there is so much more to choose from nowadays, sure I keep up with the results but all I need to do is read them and know I don’t want to watch, for me New Japan is where it’s at now.

That's what get's me.  The accessibility to Wrestling has never been better, yet people still watch WWE week in week out despite hating it.  Stop watching it then, chumps.

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2 hours ago, Keith Houchen said:

That's what get's me.  The accessibility to Wrestling has never been better, yet people still watch WWE week in week out despite hating it.  Stop watching it then, chumps.

I kinda have the tiniest amount of sympathy for those over in the West as they have the habitual nature of WWE being on every single Monday night for the past 25 years. They haven't got to stay up until the early hours to watch it or catch it in the morning or race through the day spoiler free to watch it on Tuesday night. It's still stubborn of them to carry on hate watching the show, but if you have the option of sinking into the sofa every Monday night for ritualistic viewing that you've had ingrained in yourself for fucking years, it may be a tough cycle to break. 

If you're over in Europe and you can't break the WWE habit despite not liking it, then you're a goof, end of. The amount of effort that comes with watching RAW every week should make it real easy for you anyone to go "Hang on, this is shit" and stop. I myself went from watching Smackdown every week spoiler free to just watching the specials, to then only watching the main PPV's to now jack shit save for NXT. Even then, I watch NXT episodes in catch-up sessions every three weeks or so.

The key is to replace that viewing with another promotion or streaming service. Are you used to watching three hours of wrestling on a Monday or Tuesday? Watch another wrestling company in it's place. Go to their streaming service and start at a show that's about a year old. Most companies run monthly so it will take you around 3 months to catch-up to their current product if you watch a show every Monday. Maybe find out what their 'WrestleMania' is and work from there. When you've caught up, cancel the service and do the same routine with another promotion and just rotate subs whenever a new show drops.  

Also, around the end of the year, everyone and their mum's will drop year-end 'Best Of...' lists. Some are shite but some, like VOW's annual submissions, are based on a voting process from loads of contributors so you get a lovely mix of promotions. Thus you have loads of stuff to dive into come January and the coming months. There's a never-ending whirlpool of quality content out there to replace your weekly fix and, if they're worth their salt, they have a streaming service that easily connects to your telly.

Here, I have this in on my Google Drive from when I complied last years VOW list and collected it with the results from previous years. All these promotions have streaming services. Go nuts;

 

AJPW

2017:
26/2 - KENTO MIYAHARA VS BODYGUARD
21/5 - Kento Miyahara vs. Shuji Ishikawa
27/8 - Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi vs. Naoya Nomura & KAI
27/8 - KENTO MIYAHARA VS SHUJI ISHIKAWA
9/10 - SUWAMA VS. KENTO MIYAHARA
12/12 - SHUJI ISHIKAWA & SUWAMA VS KENTO MIYAHARA & YOSHITATSU


2016:
3/1 - Joe Doering vs. Go Shiozaki
15/6 - Strong BJ vs. Big Guns    
15/6 - Kento Miyahara vs. Kengo Mashimo
23/7 - Suwama vs Jun Akiyama
27/11 - Strong BJ vs. Big Guns


2015:
29/8 - Jun Akiyama & Takao Omori vs Kento Miyahara & Go Shiozaki


2014:
15/6 - Jun Akiyama vs. Takao Omori
15/9 - Jun Akiyama vs. Kento Miyahara
6/12 - Go Shiozaki/Kento Miyahara vs. Jun Akiyama/Takao Omori


2013:
17/3 - Manabu Soya/Takao Omori vs. Jun Akiyama/Go Shiozaki
29/4 - Jun Akiyama vs KAI    


AAW

2017:

17/3 - Low Ki vs. Sami Callihan
17/3 - Drew Galloway vs. DJZ
15/7 - Keith Lee vs. Sami Callihan
6/5 - Zack Sabre Jr vs. Michael Elgin
25/11 - Sammy Guevera vs. ACH


BASARA (DDT streaming service)

2017:

21/1 - Isami Kodaka & Takumi Tsukamoto vs FUMA & Daichi Kazato
21/1 - Ryota Nakatsu vs Ikuto Hidaka


BJW

2017:
2/1 - Kohei Sato & Shuji Ishikawa vs. Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi
5/3 - Hideki Suzuki vs. Daisuke Sekimoto    
30/3 - Daisuke Sekimoto vs. Hideki Suzuki
5/5 - Hideki Suzuki vs. Yuji Okabayashi
25/5 - Hideki Suzuki vs. Hideyoshi Kamitani
20/9 -     Isami Kodaka & Yuko Miyamoto vs. Jaki Numazawa & Kenji Fukimoto
20/9 - Sekimoto/Sato vs. Takagi/Okabayashi
17/12 - Masashi Takeda vs. Masaya Takahashi


2016:
24/1 - Yuji Okabayashi vs. Ryota Hama
2/2 - Ryuji Ito, Yuji Okabayashi, Tsutomu Osugi & Hercules Senga vs. Shu Brahman, Kei Brahman, Shinobu & Takayuki Ueki
6/3 - Daisuke Sekimoto vs. Seiya Sanada    
9/4 - Kento Miyahara vs. Kengo Mashimo
25/5 - Kento Miyahara vs. Daisuke Sekimoto 
30/5 - Hideki Suzuki & Yoshihisa Uto vs. Yasufumi Nakanoue & Yuji Okabayashi
23/7 - Jun Akiyama vs. Kento Miyahara 
24/7 -     Yuji Okabayashi vs. Hideyoshi Kamitani 
31/10 - Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi vs. Isami Kodaka & Yuko Miyamoto
31/10 - Strong BJ vs. Twin Towers    


2015:
31/3 - Daisuke Sekimoto vs. Shuji Ishikawa
28/5 - Twin Towers vs. Strong BJ
30/6 - Daisuke Sekimoto, Masato Tanaka & Takashi Sugiura vs. HARASHIMA, Yuji Hino & Yuji Okabayashi
20/7 - Daisuke Sekimoto vs Yuji Okabayashi
29/10 - Twin Towers vs Strong BJ


2014:
30/6 - Daisuke Sekimoto vs. Shinobu


2013:
30/6 - Daisuke Sekimoto vs Ryuichi Kawakami


DDT

2017:
17/1 - Kazusada Higuchi vs. Konosuke Takeshita
29/1 - Konosuke Takeshita vs. KUDO
20/3 - Konosuke Takeshita vs. HARASHIMA
20/3 - Danshoku Dino vs. Joey Ryan
14/4 - Dick Togo vs. Daisuke Sasaki
1/6 - Minoru Suzuki vs. Sanshiro Takagi
25/6 - HARASHIMA vs. Tetsuya Endo
2/7 - Konosuke Takeshita vs. Mike Bailey
23/7 - Konosuke Takeshita vs. Keisuke Ishii
16/7 - Big Boss MA-G-MA & Black Buffalo vs. Konosuke Takeshita & Shigehiro Irie


2016: 
31/1 - Isami Kodaka vs Masa Takanashi 
28/2 - Konosuke Takeshita vs Daisuke Sasaki
21/3 - Konosuke Takeshita & Tetsuya Endo Vs Daisuke Sasaki & Shuji Ishikawa
26/6 - Shuji Ishikawa Vs Tetsuya Endo
17/7 - Konosuke Takeshita vs Tetsuya Endo    
28/8 - Shuji Ishikawa vs. Konosuke Takeshita
25/9 - Shuji Ishikawa vs Kazusada Higuchi 9/25    
17/10 - Kazusada Higuchi & Shunma Katsumata Vs Guanchulo & Kouki Iwasaki
23/ - Shuji Ishikawa vs. Danshoku Dino
23/11 - Tetsuya Endo & Shuji Ishikawa v Kounosuke Takeshita & HARASHIMA    
25/12 - HARASHIMA vs. Shigehiro Irie


2015:
29/4 - HARASHIMA vs. Kota Ibushi
17/5 - Akito vs Shigehiro Irie
31/5 - HARASHIMA vs KUDO
25/10 - HARASHIMA vs. Yukio Sakaguchi
17/11 - HARASHIMA & Ken Ohka vs Hiroshi Tanahashi & Yohei Komatsu


2014:
28/9 - Happy Motel vs. Golden Lovers


2013:
20/3 - Kenny Omega vs Shigehiro Irie
23/12 - El Generico vs Kenny Omega


2012:
18/8 - Kota Ibushi vs. Kenny Omega (plus the two other singles matches from this year)
21/12 - El Generico vs. Kota Ibushi


2010:
5/4 - Daisuke Sekimoto vs Kota Ibushi


DTU (DDT streaming service)

15/12 - Ronnie Mendoza vs Flamita vs Negro Casas


Dragon Gate

2017:
12/1 - BxB Hulk & Kzy vs. Masaaki Mochizuki & Susumu Yokosuka
2/2 - Ben-K, Big R Shimizu, Naruki Doi, and Takehiro Yamamura vs. Cyber Kong, El Lindaman, Shingo Takagi, and T-Hawk
2/2 - Takehiro Yamamura vs. Big R Shimizu
12/2 -     Masaaki Mochizuki vs. Takehiro Yamamura
8/3 - CIMA, Dragon Kid, Eita, Takehiro Yamamura & Naruki Doi vs. Shingo Takagi, T-Hawk, El Lindaman, YASSHI & Punch Tominaga    
5/5 - Jimmy Kagetora vs. Takehiro Yamamura
1/6 - Shingo Takagi vs. BxB Hulk
23/7 -     CK-1 vs. Speed Muscle
8/8 - Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino vs. Jimmy Susumu & Ryo "Jimmy" Saito/
26/8 - El Lindaman vs. Takehiro Yamamura
5/9 - CIMA, Dragon Kid & Eita vs. Naruki Doi, Masato Yoshino & Kotoka vs. Shingo Takagi, T-Hawk & El Lindaman
5/9 -     Masaaki Mochizuki vs. Big R Shimizu
18/9 - YAMATO vs. Masaaki Mochizuki
3/11 - Masaaki Mochizuki vs. Susumu Yokosuka
3/12 -     Susumu Yokosuka vs. Shun Skywalker
23/12 - YAMATO & Kzy & BxB Hulk vs. Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino & Jason Lee


2016:
4/2 - Masato Yoshino, Akira Tozawa, T-Hawk, & Shachihoko BOY vs. Shingo Takagi, YAMATO, Naruki Doi, & Kotoka vs. Masaaki Mochizuki, Dragon Kid, Big R Shimizu, & Kz
5/3 - Yosuke Santa Maria vs. Kotoka
5/5 - Hair vs. Mask Double Risk Survival Six-Way Cage Match
11/5 - Akira Tozawa vs. Eita
2/6 - EITA vs Jimmy Susumu
24/7 - Shingo Takagi vs. YAMATO 
12/10 - Shingo Takagi, Cyber Kong, Naruki Doi, T-Hawk, brother YASSHI vs. Akira Tozawa, Big R Shimizu, Masato Yoshino, Shachihoko Boy
3/11 - Shingo Takagi, YAMATO, & BxB Hulk vs. Masato Yoshino, Naruki Doi, & Akira Tozawa    
1/12 - CIMA, Masaaki Mochizuki, Dragon Kid, Don Fujii and Gamma vs Ben-K, Hyou Watanabe, Shun Skywalker, Yuki Yoshioka, Katsumi Takeshima


2015:
5/2 - Jimmy Susumu vs BxB Hulk
28/2 - Akira Tozawa vs Kzy
1/3 - BxB Hulk vs Uhaa Nation
9/4 - Masato Yoshino & Sachihoko BOY vs Jimmy Susumu & Jimmy Kagetora
5/5 - T-Hawk vs CIMA vs Shingo Takagi vs KZY vs YAMATO vs Ryo “Jimmy” Saito
8/5 - Akira Tozawa vs Shingo Takagi
20/7 - Akira Tozawa vs. Eita    
20/7 - Masato Yoshino vs T-Hawk
6/8 - Jimmyz vs MAD BLANKEY vs Millenials
16/8 - Jimmyz vs MAD BLANKEY
1/11 - Shingo Takagi vs. Masaaki Mochizuki
27/12 - Shingo Takagi vs. CIMA


2014:
16/1 - Masato Yoshino vs. Masaaki Mochizuki
4/4 - Chris Hero vs. Masato Tanaka
5/5 - Ricochet vs. YAMATO
5/5 - Akira Tozawa & Shingo Takagi vs. Masaaki Mochizuki & Don Fuj
5/5 - Flamita vs. Jimmy Susumu 
20/7 - The Millennials (Eita & T-Hawk) vs. Shingo & Akira Tozawa
17/8 - Eita/T-Hawk vs. Mochizuki/Dragon Kid
9/9 - Osaka 06 vs. The Millennials
23/9 - The Jimmys vs. The Millennials
9/10 - Akira Tozawa vs. Masaaki Mochizuki


2013:
4/4 - CIMA vs K-ness
5/6 - Masaaki Mochizuki, K-ness & Jimmy Susumu vs Naruki Doi, Shachihoko BOY & Rich Swann
21/7 - Akira Tozawa/BxB Hulk vs. Naruki Doi/Ricochet
1/8 - Shingo Takagi, Cyber Kong, Chihiro Tominaga & Super Shenlong III vs YAMATO, Akira Tozawa, BxB Hulk, Kzy & Mondai Ryu
23/8 - Shingo Takagi vs. YAMATO
12/9 - YAMATO vs Ryo “Jimmy” Saito
13/10 - YAMATO vs Masato Yoshino


OTT

2017:
4/2 - Jordan Devlin vs. Speedball Mike Bailey
6/5 -     Matt Riddle vs. Kyle O’Reilly
2/9 - Jordan Devlin vs. David Starr
24/9 - Jordan Devlin vs. Shane Strickland
7/10 - Mike Bailey vs. Matt Riddle
4/11 -     Jordan Devlin vs. Matt Riddle


2016:
29/10 - Marty Scurll vs. Ryan Smile
28/10 - Chris Hero vs. Ryan Smile


PROGRESS

2017:
29/1 - South Pacific Power Trip vs. Ringkampf
19/3 - SPPT vs. Mustache Mountain
31/3 - South Pacific Power Trip vs. Sami Callihan/Shane Strickland
23/4 -     British Strong Style (Pete Dunne, Trent Seven & Tyler Bate) vs. Ringkampf (Axel Dieter Jr., Timothy Thatcher & WALTER)
23/4 -     Jack Sexsmith vs. Paul Robinson
27/5 - Mark Andrews vs. Flamita
28/5 - Jeff Cobb vs. Matt Riddle
29/5 -     Travis Banks vs. Tyler Bate
9/7 - Matt Riddle vs. Walter
30/12 - Travis Banks vs. Will Ospreay


2016:
24/1 - Will Ospreay vs. Marty Scurll
14/2 - Rampage Brown vs Mikey Whiplash
14/2 - Jack Gallagher vs Timothy Thatcher
29/5 - Mark Andrews vs. Chris Hero
9/6 - Chris Hero vs Marty Scurll 
26/6 - Johnny Gargano vs. Mark Haskins
28/8 - Will Ospreay vs. Shane Strickland
27/11 - Matt Riddle vs. Will Ospreay 


2015:
25/5 - Marty Scurll vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
25/5 - Will Ospreay vs Zack Sabre Jr
26/6 - Will Ospreay vs Jimmy Havoc
6/9 - Will Ospreay vs. Mark Haskins
6/12 - Tommaso Ciampa vs Zack Sabre Jr


2014:
26/1 - Jimmy Havoc vs Zack Sabre Jr
18/5 - Prince Devitt vs. Zack Sabre Jr.


SMASH

2017:
9/4 - Sebastian Suave vs. Rosemary
13/8 - Psycho Mike Rollins vs. Braxton Sutter
17/12 - Mike Bailey vs. Matt Riddle


2016:
23/10 - Scotty O'Shae Vs. Brent Banks


STARDOM

2017:
23/2 - Kairi Hojo vs. Jungle Kyona
9/3 - Io Shirai & Meiko Satomura vs. Mayu Iwatani & Chihiro Hashimoto    
21/6 - Mayu Iwatani vs. Io Shirai
17/10 - Yoko Bito vs. Takumi Iroha    


2016:
17/1 - Io Shirai vs. Kairi Hojo
21/3 - Kairi Hojo & Meiko Satomura Vs. Io Shirai & Mayu Iwatani
12/21 - Io Shirai vs Mayu Iwatani 


2015:
14/6 - Kairi Hojo vs Meiko Satomura
17/5 - Kairi Hojo vs. Mayu Iwatani
23/8 - Io Shirai vs. Mayu Iwatani
23/9 - Io Shirai & Mayu Iwatani vs DASH Chisako & Sendai Sachiko
23/12 - Meiko Satomura vs. Kairi Hojo
23/12 - Io Shirai vs Meiko Satomura


2014:
26/1 - Io Shirai vs. Natsuki*Taiyo


WXW

2017:
24/2 - Axel Dieter Jr. & WALTER vs. Jurn Simmons & David Starr
10/3 -     WALTER vs. David Starr WXW
12/3 - WALTER vs. Ilja Dragunov
7/10 - The Rottweilers (Homicide & Low Ki) vs. Ringkampf (WALTER & Timothy Thatcher)
8/10 -     Ringkampf vs. Massive Product
28/10 - WALTER vs. David Starr
23/12 - Ilja Dragunov vs. John Klinger


2016:
13/3 - Will Ospreay & Mike Bailey vs. Marty Scurll & Trevor Lee    
1/10 - Chris Hero & JT Dunn vs. Marty Scurrl & Zack Sabre Jr.


2015:
11/12 - Big Daddy Walter & Zack Sabre Jr. vs. Daisuke Sekimoto & Axel Dieter Jr.


2014:
13/3 - Tommy End vs. Jonathan Gresham
4/10 - Tommy End vs. Big Daddy Walter
 

 

Hopefully those spoiler tags work.

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I don't watch WWE much now at all as the characters and stories along with the feeling of everything being too polished and stale doesn't appeal to me. But I also don't watch alternatives as when I have they all seem to be even more forearm exchange-snap German suplex-person no sells-kick to the head etc. until you can't give a shit and you realise the last five minutes has washed over you and, if live, often fatigued you.

WWE do this 'epic' stuff too in certain matches but I feel like, for the most part, they iron out the illogical bits and tell a story.

If anyone is able to offer alternatives that aren't as strong style/spotfest-centric it'd be appreciated.

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I didn't watch Raw or Smackdown. I still care and have an opinion though. Anyone who doesn't like that is quite welcome to go fuck themselves.

WWE has been a product you have to pick the bits you like from for years. Can't blame anyone who still finds enough in there to continue watching.

 
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I've touched on this before, but the wider accessibility of wrestling compared to how few people seem to take full advantage of it is something I find incomprehensible.

These days, I don't watch WWE weekly TV outside of NXT (and sometimes skip that), I watch the PPVs, and I try to make it to one indie show a month. Beyond that, I'll try and watch the big shows from other promotions - Wrestle Kingdom, TripleMania, King of Trios, some 'Mania weekend stuff - and anything else that jumps out at me, or is recommended by someone I trust. But I usually fall short of watching everything I'd like, because I just don't have the time.

Contrast to when I was 14-16 or so, I was recording every bit of WWF TV I could, buying every WWF, WCW or ECW VHS that HMV happened to get in, buying every wrestling book and magazine, tape trading, poring over the PWI 500 and obsessing over wrestlers I'd never seen and only knew through reputation. I'd spend an hour downloading a tiny Real Player clip of a Hayabusa/Onita match. 

A lad who started training with us when he was 16, and now works shows in Tennessee, was, more than anyone I'd ever met, obsessed with making it as a pro-wrestler. It was 100% his only real goal in life, but when he started training with us, his ambition was to make it on to Tough Enough. He thought that was how it was done. His poor heart nearly broke when someone told him it was a work. He just didn't know anything outside of a modern WWE context - hadn't gone back and watched older footage, wasn't looking out for anything from other promotions. We had the likes of Ophidian and Drew Gulak in for seminars, and the kid was marking out when he found out Ophidian had been trained by Cesaro - during the seminar. He agreed to come to a seminar with this guy, yet hadn't even bothered checking his Wikipedia entry to see who he was. He saw the Monday Night Wars as this legendary period of wrestling history, but only because it's what WWE had told him. He'd never watched any of it. 

I just couldn't - and still can't, really - get my head around how his ambition was to be a wrestler, yet he wasn't going out of his way to watch any fucking wrestling. I was watching more, and putting in considerably more effort to do so, when I was his age, without any thought that I might end up working in the industry. With the WWE Network, YouTube, countless other streaming services, and so on, at his disposal, considerably easier access than we ever had, and a considerably wider range than I ever had access to, all in far more watchable quality than the grainy fifth generation VHS copies I was watching, he was just watching whatever WWE fed him and believing whatever WWE and one or two websites told him.

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Youngsters don't know how good they've got it with the internet.  I watched Raw every Friday on Sky Sports (making sure to be home by 10 if I was out with friends - cool dude that I was) and if for any reason I wasn't home I'd set the VHS to record it.  One week (the last Raw before Royal Rumble 1998) I was going to be staying at my Mum's, so I asked my Dad to record it for me and he didn't and I cried like a little idiot when I found out.  There were no repeats, so that was it.  Gone forever.  I'd never see it.

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48 minutes ago, Sphinx said:

I don't watch WWE much now at all as the characters and stories along with the feeling of everything being too polished and stale doesn't appeal to me. But I also don't watch alternatives as when I have they all seem to be even more forearm exchange-snap German suplex-person no sells-kick to the head etc. until you can't give a shit and you realise the last five minutes has washed over you and, if live, often fatigued you.

WWE do this 'epic' stuff too in certain matches but I feel like, for the most part, they iron out the illogical bits and tell a story.

If anyone is able to offer alternatives that aren't as strong style/spotfest-centric it'd be appreciated.

Germany's WXW might be right down your street. Shows are built week-to-week and it tends to be 'sports entertainment' focused, with character work and storylines having the same amount of focus as the in-ring work.

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55 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

I didn't watch Raw or Smackdown. I still care and have an opinion though. Anyone who doesn't like that is quite welcome to go fuck themselves.

WWE has been a product you have to pick the bits you like from for years. Can't blame anyone who still finds enough in there to continue watching.

 

What people do with their own time is none of my business.  When I don't like a TV show, I stop watching.  Sure, Phil Mitchell on crack was art, but I don't watch Eastenders for when he is on screen.  If people record and skip through 5 hours of TV and like a 5 minute part of it, good on 'em.  They've got a level of dedication I couldn't subscribe to.

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With YouTube now, its pretty easy to get a general idea of whats going on in WWE without sitting through it. If something catches my eye as cool, or I read something good about a segment, I'll seek out the full version. I just cannot be arsed with WWE at the moment, but out of habit I still keep an eye on it. Its bloody boring, and just when I think they might go somewhere cool (Roman siding with Heyman) they just turn back into the bland. 

Really, the thing that I am most into in terms of wrestling at the moment is Ten Pounds Of Gold. Its bloody odd that in 2018 I give a shit about the NWA. They even made me find Nick Aldis interesting (he isn't)

 

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I wonder if part of the reason various streaming services and YouTube, etc, aren't taken full advantage of is because there's no sense of urgency.

When we were kids we'd watch everything we could because we'd never get the chance again, so we had to drop everything else and prioritise. We sought out whatever we could find because actually getting something else was rare and special.

Nowadays it must feel like everything's a mouse click away and always will be, so there's no rush, no impetus to seize it while they can. And as a result, they never get round to it.

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I'm not a massive fan of the current WWE product, however watching the Network on a Saturday suits me down to the ground. Quick recap of Raw/Smackdown, episode of NXT (which I thoroughly enjoy), the occasional PPV, maybe a few old matches/clips from yesteryear and I'm more than happy. I work 50+ hours a week, have a small child and various other interests. If I was younger, lived at home and had less responsibilities I'd be well getting stuck into various other feds from around the world like I used to circa 2005. However, I just haven't got the time to commit myself to a new product. The convenience and ease of the Network is ideal for me and my  lifestyle.

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