Merzbow Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 There are many triple A single player focused games without garbage business practices released just this year and they've done perfectly well without them, even a more niche AAA title like Nier: Automata did great and is likely getting a sequel so I'm not sure how true that is either. Busineses like EA have just found a way to make even bigger profits and have closed down perfectly good studios that don't provide them, EA no longer develops games, they create services. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members FLips Posted November 15, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 15, 2017 Persona 5 was my standout single player game of the year and I didn't spend a penny on extra content, got 80 hours out of it without doing everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator Onyx2 Posted November 15, 2017 Awards Moderator Share Posted November 15, 2017 8 hours ago, BomberPat said: Loot boxes are doubly bullshit. Loot boxes play on all the same emotional triggers as gambling, encouraging you to spend more and more money in the hope of getting the rarer, bigger prize. I'm sure the only reason it doesn't fall under the same legal remit as gambling would be either because the law doesn't recognise digital content as having any inherent value, or because there's no lose condition - you might get a shitty prize in a loot box, but you'll never get nothing. I'm hoping the backlash against EA keeps up, that it's a PR shitshow and they're forced to sort themselves out - but I'm always concerned with this sort of thing that the majority of people complaining will continue to buy games that do the exact same thing, and just complain all over again, rather than not buying the sodding thing in the first place, and unless something triggers the need for external regulation (if loot boxe ESRB and PEGI have both ruled that loot boxes are not gambling because you can't convert what you win back into cash again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members seph Posted November 15, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Onyx2 said: ESRB and PEGI have both ruled that loot boxes are not gambling because you can't convert what you win back into cash again. So that's worse than their definition of gambling, and they have no problem with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Isn't part of it down to there always being a "prize", you're getting something every time you gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted November 16, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 16, 2017 13 hours ago, Merzbow said: Isn't part of it down to there always being a "prize", you're getting something every time you gamble. That's pretty much it, from my understanding - there's no way to "lose", and you always get something for your money, so it's not gambling. That's not to say that the legal definition of gambling can't be adjusted to include loot boxes and the like, and I think eventually that will happen - the law is just almost always a step or two behind new tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator Onyx2 Posted November 16, 2017 Awards Moderator Share Posted November 16, 2017 Reddit are winding up again on lootboxes, but it's clear any change comes from legislation, not the advisory boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briefcase Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Just read something online saying that progression on Battlefront 2 will now be through gameplay only. With lots of apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 It's temporary while they "rebalance" the progression system, they should probably fix the shower of bugs too as the game is riddled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members FLips Posted November 17, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2017 No doubt back online for Christmas. If this was a permanent take down then that's fair enough, but it's clearly a massive lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted November 17, 2017 Moderators Share Posted November 17, 2017 Yeah, the statement sounds pretty disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted November 17, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2017 Take the microtransactions out and watch people moan about the grind, then slide the microtransactions back in as though they're saving people from the tedium of playing the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members FLips Posted November 17, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2017 Avoid negative launch, sucker buyers in and then add it all back in when you can't get a refund and the initial buzz has died off. Screw them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 EA - it's in the game.. then not and then back in the game again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Arch Stanton Posted November 17, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2017 Haha. Battlefront II currently has a user score of 0.8 out of 10 on Metacritic... "Overwhelming dislike based on 4604 Ratings" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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