Paid Members BomberPat Posted March 28, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Devon Malcolm said: Who are you both referring to? appearing on Iranian state TV, attending charity events hosted by Paul Eisen, and working with pro-Palestinian charities run by fundamentalists and homophobes - there's rational explanations for most, if not all, of how Corbyn ended up in those situations, and most are pretty much the cost of a long career on the Left and in anti-imperialism, which can often lead to strange bedfellows, before getting into more spurious connections between Corbyn and terrorist groups. Now, of course, the right-wing are rarely held to the same standard - Tories can happily share platforms with Neo-Nazis and dictators, and Sarah Vine and Michael Gove can show off a bookshelf with the works of David Irving on display while accusing Corbyn of being antisemitic, and never be subject to the same kind of guilt by association - but those are the rules of the game, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 28, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, BomberPat said: Now, of course, the right-wing are rarely held to the same standard - Tories can happily share platforms with Neo-Nazis and dictators, and Sarah Vine and Michael Gove can show off a bookshelf with the works of David Irving on display while accusing Corbyn of being antisemitic, and never be subject to the same kind of guilt by association - but those are the rules of the game, unfortunately. Yup. Corbyn can be smeared and character assassinated on stuff that he's said that could be construed as racist against Jews - and plenty of people didn't see it that way- but the Tories have actually done things that have caused death and suffering to people of colour, and they continue to be elected. We know why, of course: because cruelty to POC is the entire point to this fucking electorate - they're not just indifferent to it, it's a vote-winner to a lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Ash Sarkar was on Politics Live yesterday being her usual brilliant self countering the lies about Corbyn and the blatant hypocrisy within Labour and Conservative regarding racism. Plenty of clips on twitter and the whole thing is on the iplayer. Loved how she mentioned Angela Smith being welcomed back with open arms despite describing people of colour of having a funny tinge on the very same show they’re now discussing racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted March 28, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 28, 2023 34 minutes ago, Carbomb said: Yup. Corbyn can be smeared and character assassinated on stuff that he's said that could be construed as racist against Jews - and plenty of people didn't see it that way- but the Tories have actually done things that have caused death and suffering to people of colour, and they continue to be elected. We know why, of course: because cruelty to POC is the entire point to this fucking electorate - they're not just indifferent to it, it's a vote-winner to a lot of them. Someone said that Corbyn's greatest crime in the eyes of the British establishment - and likely most of the electorate - whether they could it correctly articulate it or not, is that he fundamentally saw nothing special about being British. It flies in the face of the exceptionalism that our dominant class have built a national myth upon, and it also raises up immigrants, refugees and foreigners to the same level as an Englishman. I think there's a lot to be said for that. On antisemitism, it's just infuriating. We are long overdue a genuine conversation about endemic racism, and endemic antisemitism, in this country. To see a hollow, self-serving facsimile of that conversation be enacted purely as a line of attack on Corbyn, while never holding others to the same standard, was ridiculous. Jeremy Corbyn was accused of being antisemitic for liking Charles Dickens, but Michael Gove can have the Bell Curve and the works of a literal Holocaust denier proudly displayed and nobody bats an eyelid. And I say all of this as someone strongly believes that there is a real issue of antisemitism on the British Left, that a lot of Corbyn's supporters weren't helping dispel suggestions of antisemitism by arguing that it was all a conspiracy by a Zionist-run media, and that Jeremy Corbyn had a pretty shocking record when it comes to antisemitism - I don't believe that makes him an antisemite per sé, but I believe he was ignorant to some of the hallmarks of antisemitism, and that in the worst instances he was prepared to excuse it in cases where he believed it was the lesser of two evils. But you don't tackle those problems when the conversation isn't being had in earnest, and when racism and antisemitism by other public figures and other political parties isn't held up to the same scrutiny. But as you say, it's difficult not to think that cruelty and suffering to people of colour is a vote-winner when "Stop The Boats" seems to be working for the Tories. It's difficult to think how a country that responds to that kind of rhetoric could possibly have ever voted for somebody who built their campaign on empathy, and it's even more deranged that so much of the populace could be convinced that he was the dangerous racist, and the people actively cheerleading robbing people of their human rights and drowning migrants aren't. I'm getting closer to thinking of Britain and Corbyn what I thought of the US when Trump was elected, and people were seriously trying to make the argument that Bernie Sanders would have beaten him - it's very difficult to see a country elect a cartoon fascist ultra-capitalist and think, "fucking hell, if only we had an old Socialist Jew, we'd have had this one in the bag". Similarly, it's difficult to see how a country that elects Boris Johnson could ever have elected Jeremy Corbyn. And again, to borrow a lame line from the American right, it's this Corbyn Derangement Syndrome that's going to prevent Labour making any real, substantial progress. Because instead of talking about meaningful steps forward or improvements to our lives and our society, we are still re-litigating Jeremy fucking Corbyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 28, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 28, 2023 Exactly so. This whole fucking mess is why I've essentially withdrawn my efforts to local and community politics. As regards being able to contribute to the national sphere, I as a political individual am pretty much powerless. I'd much rather spend my energy on things that will have a material impact and make me happy to see doing some good, instead of getting angry re-hashing political arguments that solve nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Loki said: Be interesting to see what happens in Corbyn's constituency. He's a very popular local MP so I can see him getting in as an Independent candidate. The Tory vote there is minuscule - it's one of those constituencies where CCHQ send young candidates to blood them and see if they're worth putting into a marginal seat. So even with a split Labour vote the Conservatives won't stand a chance. The thing will be a clusterfuck though - anyone who works for Corbyn in his candidacy will also get kicked out of the Labour Party. And if Momentum decide to support him they might be proscribed, so there's an awful lot at stake. From Twitter, Jon Lansman of Momentum asked about this - Quote Asked by @MattChorley whether he’d canvass for Jeremy Corbyn if he runs as an independent in Islington North, Jon Lansman tells Times Radio: “No I certainly wouldn’t. I want to see Keir Starmer elected.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted March 28, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 28, 2023 Lansman knows the score, he's been around for yonks. He's aware (like the ERG) that it's easier to get the changes you want from the inside of government than trying to convince the public to vote for it from outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted March 30, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 30, 2023 We know how people feel about Disney. However, yesterday they humiliated Ron DeSantis using our new King of England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Thesz Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) Fucking Hell. Wonder how his cousin beasting cuntwhistle supporters will react to this or whether Donald does a midnight flit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65132553 Edited March 30, 2023 by Hugh Thesz Forgot to post link as I am a prematurely senile dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I assume there are similar tweets from wrestling accounts with "WWE Hall of Famer" swapped in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 As our @Davidsaid would happen a few weeks back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 This is pretty disgusting and racist, isn’t it? How on earth did this get green lit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members FLips Posted April 7, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted April 7, 2023 Sorry if I’m missing something but why is it racist? It’s a dreadful ad regardless like. Real barrel scraping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Nexus Posted April 7, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, FelatioLips said: Sorry if I’m missing something but why is it racist? It’s a dreadful ad regardless like. Real barrel scraping. It's the implicit link of a South Asian man with grooming gangs, especially given the dialogue of the past two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, Nexus said: It's the implicit link of a South Asian man with grooming gangs, especially given the dialogue of the past two weeks. It's a picture of the Prime Minister! If there's racism, it's in the eye of the beholder. I don't mean you are racist, but if people are looking at this image and thinking "hmm, asian=paedophile" then the right-wing press have done their job on all of us. If anything, this ad is cleverly addressing that. It's a very aggressive attack ad of the type more normally produced by CCHQ but it is not in-and-of-itself racist. Otherwise any attack ad with Sunak or Badenoch on it is going to get dismissed as racist. Let's not fall into that Tory trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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