Keith Houchen Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Onyx2 said: If we're saying rape is off limits unless dealt with in a certain way, is that any different to things we're 'allowed' to joke about too? If it's dealt with correctly and contextually it's fair game. Are we saying that though?  5 minutes ago, Onyx2 said: I’m totally up for warnings ahead of a programme ("this programme contains some scenes..." and "if you've been affected...") so there's fair trigger warning. But I think it should be part of modern fiction. As an aside, I mentioned once how a warning gave away a plot point on a Netflix show! A character was in the depths of a mental health crisis and at the start of the episode it came up “Warning - contains suicide”. Cheers for that! Totally took away the drama! But obviously it’s important to have these warnings for people.  Thanks for the info about the writer, I didn’t know that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gmoney Posted February 8, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2023 @Onyx2 - I don't really disagree with what you've said, I think the only thing we differ on is whether we feel the use of it was justified in this particular series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator Onyx2 Posted February 8, 2023 Awards Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, gmoney said: @Onyx2 - I don't really disagree with what you've said, I think the only thing we differ on is whether we feel the use of it was justified in this particular series. Yep and I think this is a great discussion without any toys leaving any prams, like SuperBacon said. Even more surprising when you consider the subject material. I think it is handled well, but it can't be viewed without the context of the whole show around it. I will also say I've been extremely lucky in my life to not knowingly have any friends or family be a victim of rape so the trigger is distant for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, Onyx2 said: Yep and I think this is a great discussion without any toys leaving any prams Is that aimed at me? You better watch your mouth potato boy or I’ll ram that masher straight up yo ass quicker than you can lisp Dancing in the moonlight, you motherpukka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator Onyx2 Posted February 8, 2023 Awards Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: Is that aimed at me? You better watch your mouth potato boy or I’ll ram that masher straight up yo ass quicker than you can lisp Dancing in the moonlight, you motherpukka. Something something you're a Man United fan from London? Did I do it right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, Onyx2 said: Something something you're a Man United fan from London? Did I do it right? For a first go it’s not to be sniffed at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Hope it wasn't damaged etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted February 8, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2023 All of the main stuff regarding the scene and the arc has been covered, so I'd also like to add that I did also quite like, as an added minor dimension, the whole discussion of Melfi's ex-husband's insecurity regarding the rapist being part Italian, especially with Melfi considering Tony as a potential recourse - she ends up stuck between two problematic, toxic models of masculinity, both the law-abiding and the criminal, and, consequently, ends up with no remedy or redress for choosing the moral course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted February 8, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, Carbomb said: All of the main stuff regarding the scene and the arc has been covered, so I'd also like to add that I did also quite like, as an added minor dimension, the whole discussion of Melfi's ex-husband's insecurity regarding the rapist being part Italian, especially with Melfi considering Tony as a potential recourse - she ends up stuck between two problematic, toxic models of masculinity, both the law-abiding and the criminal, and, consequently, ends up with no remedy or redress for choosing the moral course. Both Melfi's ex-husband and her own psychiatrist being such absolute twats is an absolutely perfect touch to her character. Everywhere she goes she's surrounded by infuriating and horrendous men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted February 8, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, LaGoosh said: Both Melfi's ex-husband and her own psychiatrist being such absolute twats is an absolutely perfect touch to her character. Everywhere she goes she's surrounded by infuriating and horrendous men. Her own psychiatrist also highlights something that appears to be a running thread throughout the series: every non-Mafia bloke in the series, barring Melfi's ex-husband, falls into the trap of being impressed by Tony and his crew, no matter how moral or law-abiding they might be or claim to be. Melfi's psychiatrist talking about his tenuous link to Lepke Buchholz and Murder Inc. is one of the more stand-out examples. Hell, the FBI guy who investigates Tony even takes his side after he gets taken off Tony's case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Peter Bogdanovich in pure brilliant deadpan mode in that role. There's an interview on YouTube with him and David Chase from Season 2 I think which is about an hour long and I would recommend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, Carbomb said: Hell, the FBI guy who investigates Tony even takes his side after he gets taken off Tony's case. Actually, taking the conversation back to worst scenes, (back end of series 6 spoiler) Spoiler "Damn, we're gonna win this thing" Get fucked FBI boy. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TildeGuy~! Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, SuperBacon said: Hope it wasn't damaged etc The Tom Hardy scene in the bar at the end is great in that movie.   Edited February 8, 2023 by TildeGuy~! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 7 hours ago, Carbomb said: Hell, the FBI guy who investigates Tony even takes his side after he gets taken off Tony's case. That FBI agent is definitely the writers' reflection of the viewer. Â By that point in the series, we've all fallen into the trap of rooting for the horrible awful mafia murderers. Â And then when an FBI agent does the same thing, it's a wonderful little bit of finger-pointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Loki said: That FBI agent is definitely the writers' reflection of the viewer. Â By that point in the series, we've all fallen into the trap of rooting for the horrible awful mafia murderers. Â And then when an FBI agent does the same thing, it's a wonderful little bit of finger-pointing. Yup, as I said earlier in this discussion David Chases' disdain and finger pointing for the viewers is hilariously brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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