Keith Houchen Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Fog Dude said: If by "shit" you mean "systematically held back for at least half a century because a bunch of misogynists were frightened that it might prove just as popular as the men's game" then yes, I agree. The standard is shit though, isn’t it? I mean those lioness ladies could get a game in the Scotch second tier, that’s how poor it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Fog Dude said: If by "shit" you mean "systematically held back for at least half a century because a bunch of misogynists were frightened that it might prove just as popular as the men's game" then yes, I agree. Oh, piss off with that. You really think the men who run world football are "frightened" by women's football? I've heard a lot of white-knighting shite during these Euros, but that's up there with the best of them. You want to know the truth? If women's football turns out to be even slightly marketable, it'll be the exact same misogynists who run the mens game who will capitalise and benefit from the women's game. Those guys aren't afraid of it. They want it to succeed so they can make money from it. Same as the primarily male-controlled advertisers and sponsors. Why do you think Sky are pushing it so much? A dollar, Euro or pound spent by a woman or young girl is just as green as the equivalent spent by a man. Or do you think the nasty misogynists aren't benefiting from the uptick in Sky coverage? Nah, the misogynists aren't holding it back. It's just shit at the moment, mate. Folk can try to pretend that the Euros win is comparable to the England mens team winning the male equivalent, but it isn't. Well done to them of course, but people (and white knighting sadsack men in particular, not women by the way) need to pipe down with the "oooh, they succeeded where the mens team failed" and so on. It's embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Danger Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) Ah shit, he went full Rogan. Edited August 2, 2022 by Mr_Danger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Nexus Posted August 2, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 2, 2022 Did Scotland's women not qualify or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nexus said: Did Scotland's women not qualify or something? They barely qualify as women. #BANTZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted August 2, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30329606 Quote WW1: Why was women's football banned in 1921? Women's football was huge during World War One, drawing crowds of 53,000 even after the war had ended. So why did it disappear so dramatically, asks Gemma Fay, captain of the Scottish national female football team. She had a shot so hard she once broke the arm of a professional male goalkeeper. She also earned the distinction of being the first woman to be sent off in an official football match for fighting. At 6ft tall (1.83m), Lily Parr was remarkable in many ways. She scored more than 1,000 goals during her 31-year-playing career, according to the National Football Museum. Of those, 34 were in her first season when she was aged just 14. Her team were exceptional too. The Dick, Kerr Ladies were made up of 11 factory workers from Preston. They went on to become international celebrities and the biggest draw in world football. They remain the most successful women's team of all time, says the the museum. But these were also exceptional times. WW1 was being fought and any man fit enough to play football had been sent to fight on the front line. Back home women not only took on their jobs, they also took their places on the football field. Women's football was already established but up until WW1 it hadn't been well received. This all changed when the Football League suspended all of its matches at the end of the 1914-15 season. As a generation of young men signed up to serve king and country, so too did the women who were left behind. They answered the call, with hundreds of thousands taking on traditional male roles previously considered too dangerous for women - the most familiar image of these was the munitions factory girl. The female workers converged upon the various factories that sprang up across the country, forming strong friendships on the factory floor that spilled over on to the playing fields on their breaks. Informal kickabouts became a popular pastime for the women and this was not missed by factory management. An activity that was previously considered unsuitable for the delicate female frame was heartily encouraged as good for health, well-being and moral. As the war progressed, the women's game became more formalised, with football teams emerging from the munitions factories. Initially, the novelty of women playing football was used to raise money for war charities, with crowds flocking to see the so-called munitionettes take on teams of injured soldiers and women from other factories. As more teams cropped up, people started to enjoy the matches for the skill and ability of the women, rather than the initial humorous spectacle. Games were still used to raise money for charities. The Munitionettes' Cup was established in August 1917, with the first winners Blyth Spartans beating Bolckow Vaughan of Middlesbrough 5-0. Star striker Bella Reay scored a hat-trick to add to her 130 other goals that season. Their love of the game was such that on one occasion Blyth winger Jennie Morgan is said to have gone straight from her wedding to play in a match - she scored twice. The most famous of these teams was Dick, Kerr Ladies FC from Preston. Founded in 1917, their first match drew a crowd of 10,000 people. By 1920, a Boxing Day match against St Helen's Ladies was watched by 53,000 spectators at Goodison Park, with another 14,000 locked outside the ground trying to get in. With the war now over, a nation devastated by the loss of so many attempted to put itself back together. One by one, the factories closed and women who had been galvanised and liberated during wartime, found themselves being quietly shunted back into domestic life, returned to their "right and proper place" in society. Football was no longer a health benefit - it was now seen by top physicians, such as Dr Mary Scharlieb of Harley Street, as the "most unsuitable game, too much for a woman's physical frame". Despite these warnings, the Dick, Kerr Ladies were still the leading team in Britain. Their popularity reached its height in 1921, with big crowds wanting to see them play. However, this "golden era" of women's football was to be short-lived. On 5 December 1921 the FA cited strong opinions about football's unsuitability for females. It called on clubs belonging to the associations "to refuse the use of their grounds for such matches". The ban changed the course of the women's game forever. Despite this a few female teams continued for a while. In 1937 the Dick, Kerr Ladies played Edinburgh City Girls in the Championship of Great Britain and the World, winning 5-1. Lily Parr became one of the greatest scorers in English history, netting more than 1,000 goals during a 31-year career. However, the women's game soon became overshadowed by the return and growth of the male game. In 1971 the FA finally lifted the ban on women's football. In the same year UEFA recommended the women's game should be taken under the control of the national associations in each country. This move signalled the start of a female football revival, not only in Britain but across Europe and the rest of the world. The first official European Championship was held in Sweden in 1984 with the inaugural World Cup taking place in 1991. Fast forward to now and women's football is a global phenomenon. At the 2012 Olympic Final at Wembley Stadium between the USA and Japan, a record-breaking crowd of over 83,000 was in attendance. The astounding fact is that only now, nearly 100 years later, are women attracting the crowds and attention experienced by their predecessors. These pioneering women not only managed to achieve phenomenal success and recognition, but they did it at a time when it would have seemed nigh on impossible. They defied society, changed the mindset of a nation and took women's football to unprecedented new heights, all within a couple of years. I have huge adoration and respect for the footballing women of WW1, but also a pang of jealousy and frustration. Having been involved in women's football in this country for nearly 18 years, I have never experienced the level of public interest and support they did. The stories of their struggles in the post-war era, however, bears a resemblance to my early years in the sport. There were frustrations which can unfortunately still be felt in some quarters today. With the England women's team securing its biggest crowd at Wembley of 40,181 in a recent friendly against Germany, it has taken the current generation nearly 43 years to achieve something remotely close to their success. And what of Lily Parr? Her achievements were finally recognised in 2002, when she became the first woman to inducted into the Football Hall of Fame at the National Football Museum in Preston, 24 years after her death. Edited August 2, 2022 by Carbomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Carbomb said: The most famous of these teams was Dick 🧐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fog Dude Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, David said: Oh, piss off with that. You really think the men who run world football are "frightened" by women's football? I've heard a lot of white-knighting shite during these Euros, but that's up there with the best of them. "White knighting?" Jeez. As Carbomb has helpfully pointed out, I wasn't referring to the past 50 years or to current football administrators, but to a previous era when women's football was deliberately prevented from growing in popularity by restricting where matches could be held, and therefore lowering crowd figures in a time when gate revenue was everything finance-wise. Although having said that, the blazers and their chums in the media didn't do much to promote or develop women's football for a few more decades even after the ban on playing at professional grounds was lifted. And judging by the reaction of some men these past few days, the effects of that exercise in mass degradation are still being felt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fog Dude said: Although having said that, the blazers and their chums in the media didn't do much to promote or develop women's football for a few more decades even after the ban on playing at professional grounds was lifted. And judging by the reaction of some men these past few days, the effects of that exercise in mass degradation are still being felt. The blazers and their chums will promote and develop the fuck out of it if they think they can pocket a few coins from doing so. And as I said, if anything comes from these Euros, you can bet your bottom dollar that the mostly white old men in suits who run the mens game will also run the women's game. But if we're honest, women's football is shit at the moment, regardless of the reason for that. I hope it does kick on a bit, nothing wrong with young girls getting involved in the sport. At the risk of sounding like a proper codger, anything that gets kids out the house and away from their phones and tablets can only be a good thing. They could probably do without the white knighting though. Especially from faux feminist creep types who seem to revel in that kind of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PunkStep Posted August 2, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Fog Dude said: If by "shit" you mean "systematically held back for at least half a century because a bunch of misogynists were frightened that it might prove just as popular as the men's game" then yes, I agree. You had to reply to him, didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 At least someone appreciates me and my Twitter game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdogg Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 1:47 PM, Fatty Facesitter said: For the fellow fantasists among you, here's the code for a new FPL league (Fantasy Premier League for the initiated) I've created for the forum. If the old one surfaces between now and Friday then we can always bin it and relocate. Those with an active social life, look away now. All welcome to join. League code: 399c63 The Community Shield hasn't changed my initial draft much - despite my team name I haven't stared with Haaland for the first week, plumping instead for young Harold Kane who will hopefully victimise Southampton's defence, and our lord and saviour Gabriel Jesus of Woolwich Arsenal looks a steal at £8million looking at his pre-season form. Arsenal and Spurs players joining forces up front? Incredulous. I've binned off all centre backs and gone for five full backs all with the potential for attacking returns. Keeping an eye on Forest's Neco Williams at 4.0 - potential enabler moving forward though it depends on if Forest can adapt to the rigours of the top flight. Very, very temped to start with a back five just because of the quality on offer. It's basically like having attacking midfields with bigger clean sheet and bonus points. Lovely. I'm also keeping a serious eye on Newcastle - ironically despite their new-found wealth off the pitch, the player prices in FPL haven't shot up a great deal, so there's the odd differential in there that might be worth some points. Home to Forest on opening day too. I have morals, but I'm happy to check them at the door for FPL points. Still not 100% on my 'keeper. Currently have Mendy in the sticks but tempted to switch for Ramsdale or another depending on fixtures. Mendy at 5.0 though isn't a bad price at all. Not expecting a huge amount from the opening weekend - a lot of the big hitters are all playing away from home in some potential banana skin fixtures, so it might be that GW1 doesn't yield as many points as you'd think on paper, but that might even itself out for the following week. The prospect of Haaland terrorising Bournemouth in his home debut is tantilising. I think the old one has reappeared. It's entered me in to the league automatically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Duke Posted August 3, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 3, 2022 Chelsea have moved into the supermarket sweep stage of the transfer window early this season. Frenkie De Jong's agent playing 3D chess by saying Chelsea are making a bit. Nothing will make Barca want him more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Fatty Facesitter Posted August 3, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, stewdogg said: I think the old one has reappeared. It's entered me in to the league automatically Thanks, anyone know the code (or who created it)? Edited August 3, 2022 by Fatty Facesitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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