Keith Houchen Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Get Brexit Done had nothing to do with the Tory majority and it was all Corbyn. Who knew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted January 12, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, Keith Houchen said: Get Brexit Done had nothing to do with the Tory majority and it was all Corbyn. Who knew? Brexit had a big part for sure, dont think anyone's denying that. Also, the 2019 manifesto wasn't as popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members seph Posted January 12, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: Of course Corbyn got trashed by the media. The UK papers are vastly right wing. Did their treatment of Corbyn come as a surprise to you? Were you expecting Murdoch & The Barclays to suddenly embrace socialism? The Tories didn't have to do anything other than 'not be Corbyn', that's the heartbreaking part. We all knew we were going to get spanked in 2019 but large swathes of the membership were still celebrating losing by 50 seats in 2017. The Tories were absolutely aware of this & as such kept Johnson off TV as much as possible (Johnson has never been liked...his approval rating was consistenly bad throughout) as they knew not being Labour was enough. Now, we're in a position where the Government can push anything they want through Parliament & the people shouting loudest about the 'lack of opposition' are the same that helped deliver the biggest opposition defeat in a century, and after said defeat wanted more of the same?!?! This is the consequence. Shit isn't it? Exactly, so the people who ACTUALLY listened to Corbyn didn't take their bait; so your "What?" rebuttal is puzzling in that aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 It’s a bit odd that your blaming Corbyns popularity for the Tory majority when he was the same leader in the previous elections that led to demolishing the Tory majority. It was Brexit what won it, plus Johnson being more appealing than May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted January 12, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Keith Houchen said: It’s a bit odd that your blaming Corbyns popularity for the Tory majority when he was the same leader in the previous elections that led to demolishing the Tory majority. It was Brexit what won it, plus Johnson being more appealing than May. The most common thing we heard on the doorstep was 'I've voted Labour all my life but I cant vote for Corbyn'. It is what it is. We're here now & living with the consequences. I thought Jezza was a bit shit but still campaigned & voted. I think Starmer is better & will still campaign & vote the same way as my priority is getting the Tories out. That's not changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted January 12, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, seph said: Exactly, so the people who ACTUALLY listened to Corbyn didn't take their bait; so your "What?" rebuttal is puzzling in that aspect. OK sure...its just the number of people who wanted to listen that decreased. Same end result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: The most common thing we heard on the doorstep was 'I've voted Labour all my life but I cant vote for Corbyn'. Didn’t Labour get the most votes they ever had in 2017? Not doubting how people didn’t like him was a factor but if they can’t vote for Corbyn then they mustn’t have voted Labour in the previous elections where they got huge amounts of votes. But let’s not distract from the threads purpose of pointing out that tories are cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted January 12, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2021 Not sure what the argument is here. Corbyn was hated. Whipped up by the right-wing press but still, indisputable. 2019 was a one issue election and Labour and Corbyn had no idea how to counter it. Also indisputable. I want to like and support Starmer. This last few months has not been good for him though. He's coming across like a chocolate fireguard. He' evasive in interviews which screams slimy politician and as much of a laugh it is when people call Marcus Rashford the leader of the opposition, MR is more outspoken on key issues than Starmer or Labour. Starmer has been right to call for lockdowns earlier twice. That's about it. This government is, and has been for the last 5 years, an open goal for Labour. And neither of them have got anywhere near them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 The libraries debate is over. The government sent round a letter explaining that library workers are critical to the nation during lockdown. I love the fact it says during lockdown so that we won't be considered essential when the redundancies start. Still, looking forward to seeing if that pushes me up the vaccine queue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Your Fight Site Posted January 12, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) Wasn’t the issue with Labour that the Tories and media were calling Corbyn a communist, IRA sympathiser, and antisemite, and Labour nor Corbyn really made a concerted effort to refute it? Then working class people essentially saying they’d rather be skint that a “commie under Corbyn”. Just as long as we get those borders back. Those borders we never really lost. Edited January 12, 2021 by Your Fight Site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Your Fight Site said: Wasn’t the issue with Labour that the Tories and media were calling Corbyn a communist, IRA sympathiser, and antisemite, and Labour nor Corbyn not really making a concerted effort to refute it? Then working class people essentially saying they’d rather be skint that a “commie under Corbyn”. Just as long as we get those borders back. Those borders we never really lost. They refuted it at every turn but the media didn’t pay much attention to it. Plus as I said, If that was such a factor in 2019, why wasn’t it an equal factor in 2017? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I think people were worried about him buying his ties from M&S more than his antisemitism... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Mad how much everyone cared that Corbyn 'was an anti semite' didn't before and don't now. As mad as "ALL LIVES MATTER...no, not those ones". Performative bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted January 12, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: Plus as I said, If that was such a factor in 2019, why wasn’t it an equal factor in 2017? By 2019 the 'culture war' aspect was in full swing. Less prevalent in May's tenure. The biggest difference between Nick Timothy and Cummings respective approaches imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members stumobir Posted January 12, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) I’m sure those within his party like the clown below had absolutely no influence either and all those people that decided they hated Corbyn did so of their own volition. And don’t dare question his allegiance because he accepted a job and a peerage off the Tories or question all those donations to him from various Israeli outfits, that would be anti-Semitic, as he claimed, despite not being Jewish. Remind me, how many MPs have been killed by left-wing extremist nutters recently? Edited January 12, 2021 by stumobir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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