69MeDon Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JNLister said: There is no technicality as being PM/running the government isn't officially anything to do with Parliament. The only ways a PM stops being PM are: 1) They die. 2) They resign for personal reasons (eg scandal, ill health, retirement.) 3) They are forced to resign because somebody else is best placed to "command the confidence of the Commons." (*) In practice, that means somebody else can prove they have the support of more MPs than anyone else. (Doesn't have to be a majority, just the most.) This could be because there's a new party leader, there's been a change of MPs in an election, or because there's a new cross-party alliance. Other than that, there's no way to make them leave. Technically they don't even have to be an MP or in the Lords anymore.  * (They can't literally be made to resign in this situation, but if they don't, the Queen would be forced to sack them. Even for Boris Johnson, putting the Queen in that position would be considered bad form.)  4. Violent revolution. Not that I'm calling for such a thing. Edited April 13, 2022 by 69MeDon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted April 13, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted April 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, 69MeDon said: Â 4. Violent revolution. Not that I'm calling for such a thing. Perish the thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 If they don't want to integrate into our society and follow our rules they should fuck off back to their own planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Your Fight Site Posted April 13, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted April 13, 2022 4 hours ago, JNLister said: The only ways a PM stops being PM are: 1) They die. 2) They resign for personal reasons (eg scandal, ill health, retirement.) Well he’s survived scandal after scandal and COVID so far, so I guess we’re waiting for one of the alternatives… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Your Fight Site said: Well he’s survived scandal after scandal and COVID so far, so I guess we’re waiting for one of the alternatives… Yeah. I think it’s Trumpian, tories know that they’ll lose votes if they oust him as he can do no wrong in some peoples eyes, so they have to weigh it up with how many they can gain with him gone. Maybe the local elections could have an impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamura Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 The perils of live TV... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted April 13, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted April 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, Tamura said: The perils of live TV... The greatest TV moment of the year. It’s going to be hard to top this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I bet it was inspired by this.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members stumobir Posted April 20, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted April 20, 2022 Lindsay Hoyle does a sterling job at making sure noone questions the honesty of Johnson. Eye on the big stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted April 20, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, stumobir said: Lindsay Hoyle does a sterling job at making sure noone questions the honesty of Johnson. Eye on the big stuff. What do we expect from the worst commons speaker in our life time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted April 20, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) I do, after a fashion, understand the need to have a rule that says you can't easily call an MP a liar in parliament (to prevent debates from simply degenerating into "You're lying!" for every response), but surely, at this point, it needs revising to allow MPs to call out liars in the face of actual proof that said liars have lied? BJ has done it frequently enough and habitually enough that it simply can't be put down to a mistake or misguided belief; we're at the point where he must be called out. Edited April 20, 2022 by Carbomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Carbomb said: but surely, at this point, it needs revising to allow MPs to call out liars in the face of actual proof that said liars have lied? BJ has done it frequently enough and habitually enough that it simply can't be put down to a mistake or misguided belief; we're at the point where he must be called out. There is a process to go through if you wish to call out the untruth said in the commons. I think the issue is if you open that door it can be used by people like Johnson to also call into question things of truth. Its unfortunately the best of the bad options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted April 20, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Factotum said: There is a process to go through if you wish to call out the untruth said in the commons. I think the issue is if you open that door it can be used by people like Johnson to also call into question things of truth. Its unfortunately the best of the bad options. I don't see how that would be an issue, given that actual proof would be needed, which he is regularly unable to provide, on account of being 1. an inveterate liar, and 2. a cunt. There's no real equivalence in the situation; I get that there is a worry of that these days, given how much falsehood and bad faith have been allowed to rule the day, but the fight-back has to begin somewhere at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted April 20, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) The logic is that lying to Parliament is the worst thing an MP can do, so in turn accusing someone of lying to Parliament is the worst thing you can say. The rules/conventions are that its such a serious accusation that you can only "say" it by bringing and passing motion to say they lied, which happened with Profumo:Â https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1963/jun/20/privilege-mr-profumo Of course, that falls apart when a majority of MPs back the PM against reality. Â (Note that this procedure is nothing to do with punishing them for lying, it's just the way you can officially say in Parliament that they lied.) Edited April 20, 2022 by JNLister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 When they debate this tomorrow, I believe they WILL be able to call him a liar as that’s the topic of debate.  Should be interesting to watch!  But yes, Hoyle is useless and Johnson walks all over him.  Hoyle spent many years backstabbing Bercow and criticising his style, now he’s got the big seat he’s discovered why Bercow (and predecessors) had to be so forthright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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