Brexit

[MPDTT]

1 hour ago, Dead Mike said:

TBH, according to the polls its the Momentum types that the casual voter finds the most toxic. Labour being unappealing to the masses is their biggest problem. The Tories can lurch to the right & not lose many voters as people will grumble & still vote Tory. Those on the left are more fickle, always been the way.

Do you genuinely think that a Corbyn led Labour could win an election held within the next couple of months?

This is correct, and why no labour leader has won a general election with a socialist platform since the 1970s. By creating New Labour, Tony Blair made the party electable. Now it isn't (to the detriment of our democracy).

In fact the whole Tory strategy is reliant on Corbyn remaining in office....if Corbyn was replaced by Tom Watson the Conservatives would replace Johnson in a heartbeat.

Edited September 6, 2019 by MPDTT

[Carbomb]

8 minutes ago, MPDTT said:

This is correct, and why no labour leader has won a general election with a socialist platform since the 1970s. By creating New Labour, Tony Blair made the party electable. Now it isn't (to the detriment of our democracy).

In fact the whole Tory strategy is reliant on Corbyn remaining in office....if Corbyn was replaced by Tom Watson the Conservatives would replace Johnson in a heartbeat.

If New Labour is so "electable", why were they voted out in 2010?

Blair may have made the party electable against the Tories in the 90s, but they're now seen as the people who bankrupted the country. So who would go back to that?

Also, just because socialism became unelectable before doesn't mean it will stay that way. Things are always changing, and the fact that socialism (well, a superficial application of it) went from being popular to unpopular means it can go back to popular again. Corbyn's election results are evidence that people are responding to socialist policies following the failure of the neoliberalist/monetarist capitalist approach favoured by the Tories and New Labour.

[hallicks]

Tom Watson got friendly with a paedo and is a complete political shitarse.

[Devon Malcolm]

Tories like MPDTT always have an opinion on who should be Labour leader, whereas if you ask pretty much any Labour voter who should be Tory leader they don't give a shit. Tom Watson, fucking hell.

[Lion_of_the_Midlands]

I'd sooner have the golfer Tom Watson as leader of the Labour Party than Tom Watson the MP.

Golfer Tom has a great swing, hopefully it would be a swing to Labour. 

[bigfoote]

After seeing her speak so bluntly. I would welcome Jess Phillips as leader of Labour. 

[PowerButchi]

I wouldn't. She's an arsehole. 

[Keith Houchen]

20 minutes ago, PowerButchi said:

I wouldn't. She's an arsehole. 

Yep. Her accent is as put on as Rees Moggs. 

[Devon Malcolm]

She's pushing the bullshit narrative about Luciana Berger being forced out of the Labour Party on Twitter again today.

[MungoChutney]

This has been one of the craziest weeks I've seen since I started following politics when I was 7. Partly I was a weird kid and partly because my sister was a Labour activist and worked for an MP. My first memory is of the 1992 GE result coming in and the shock that the Tories had won. 

I voted to Remain in 2016 after a fair bit of going back and forth but ultimately didn't think Leave would be the success it was made out to be. That turned out to be right and I reckon I'd still vote Remain tomorrow if given the choice.

 

Saying all of this, I think Brexit has been one of the worst things ever to happen to this country. The level of blatant sexism, racism and misogyny that's being tolerated in every day life and particularly from our elected members is as frightening as it is disgusting. Dunno about anyone else but I'd like to just get it the fuck over with now and then deal with whatever comes next. The current parliamentary situation is embarrassing and the fact that Jo Swinson and Chuka Umunna are at the forefront of a political party that is gaining in the polls is something that actually does speak volumes. 

 

[TheToeSucker]

Brexit will go down as the biggest British milestone in history. Jo Cox's assassination, BoJo, Theresa May failing miserably, and David Cameron

[Chest Rockwell]

13 minutes ago, MungoChutney said:

I'd like to just get it the fuck over with now and then deal with whatever comes next.

This is one of the worst common sentiments I've seen a lot of recently, mostly in support of a no deal Brexit. Leaving the EU without solving any of the problems with leaving the EU is a completely idiotic thing to do. If you think they've been fucking useless up to now what makes you think they can do better whilst also battling recession, and drug shortages, and all the other new problems it'll create?

The parliamentary situation will be just as embarrassing and everyone will just be worse off.

[MungoChutney]

The frustration that I feel makes we wish it was over, that doesn't mean I'd be happy to settle for a no deal Brexit and the problems that may bring just so it would finish tomorrow. However, the current situation as it stands is very likely, in my opinion, to create more opportunities for the far-right to gain momentum. If we're not very careful we will be creating a political environment that I would much rather my son didn't grow up in. It's incredibly easy for Farage and his supporters to make this look like middle class lefties are stopping the will of the working class people being followed.

This country has neglected working class communities for decades and Brexit has provided the perfect opportunity for the worst kind of of political views to become common place and even accepted. So yes, I'm pissed off and wish it was over and then we can face that situation because not having it over in the short term is also going to have long term consequences that I don't fancy much either. 

[CavemanLynn]

Wishing it was over and alienating the electorate seems like the point, the past few years. To get into power, a candidate only needs the support of the majority of those that can actually be bothered to vote, not the support of the majority of the nation. Parliament is now a running joke. But while Joe Public just wants to get on with their day to day lives, the people in power are STILL in power, making decisions that affect everyone and their families' futures.

[unfitfinlay]

1 hour ago, MungoChutney said:

The frustration that I feel makes we wish it was over, that doesn't mean I'd be happy to settle for a no deal Brexit and the problems that may bring just so it would finish tomorrow. However, the current situation as it stands is very likely, in my opinion, to create more opportunities for the far-right to gain momentum. If we're not very careful we will be creating a political environment that I would much rather my son didn't grow up in. It's incredibly easy for Farage and his supporters to make this look like middle class lefties are stopping the will of the working class people being followed.

This country has neglected working class communities for decades and Brexit has provided the perfect opportunity for the worst kind of of political views to become common place and even accepted. So yes, I'm pissed off and wish it was over and then we can face that situation because not having it over in the short term is also going to have long term consequences that I don't fancy much either. 

There will be long term consequences regardless of what happens. As much as I loathe him, Farage has played this incredibly well. If it ends with a deal, he can claim that he would've got a better one. If it ends without one, he'll take advantage of the poverty, crime and general chaos. If Parliament prevents us leaving then he'll take advantage of that as well. Because he's an opportunistic cunt.

If it's going to happen anyway, I'll take the option that doesn't involve shortages of food and medicine.