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Did you ever get a chance to hear what Bruce Pritchard said was legit going to be the Wrestlemania 7 main event?

Vince was going to put General Adnan with fucking Tugboat (make him Sheik Tugboat) and have him face Hogan at Wrestlemania. Insane.

 

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Blatant cut and paste of a post in the Progress Facebook fan goup. It's in a discussion about whether to list wrestling as an interest on your CV.

 

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Morgan Butler-Kerridge: Definitely! Just don't do what I did.
I was in a job interview and I noticed a Chris Jericho action figure on his desk, so when he asked why I was the best candidate for the job, I told him that all the other applicants were stupid idiots and that if he didn't hire me I was going to put him on The List.
Turns out it was his son's toy and he had no idea who Jericho was.

 

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How do people feel about double bookings/cancelled bookings?

Travis Banks was announced for CHIKARA's King of Trios as part of the CCK trio, but has just been announced for PWG's BOLA on the same weekend. Looks likely that he'll be pulling out of Trios to work BOLA.

To me, that's disappointing - I'm a firm believer that a wrestler should honour their bookings, and that it's only fair on promoters and ticket-buying fans to do so, but at the same time, I can understand why a wrestler would take a "better" opportunity over one they're already booked for.

In this case, I doubt anyone bought tickets for Trios specifically because Travis Banks was going to be there, so it'll be disappointing, but it's not like a big draw headliner has pulled out and pissed people off who bought tickets to see them. But I feel for CHIKARA - they're the ones that, presumably, will be left scrambling to find a replacement, and looking like dicks if they don't deliver.

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BOLA is a way, way bigger deal than KoT.

Although I was quite looking forward to seeing all three CCK lads together, I couldn't really blame Travis for taking the BOLA booking. Wonder who'd replace him at Trios...

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BOLA's a bigger deal, and has more WWE eyes on it. William Regal tends to attend them, and probably other WWE types scouting as well. Getting booked for BOLA is pretty much an indication that you've "arrived" on the indies.

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Just a thought - there's probably a lot of guys who Chikara would have been hoping to book for Trios who would now be wanting to do BOLA instead, presumably a lot of the British guys would be there again (although no idea how their WWE deals would work with that) so would it be more likely that Chikara change their dates instead? After changing venues already, it wouldn't go down well with people at all but the trade off would be a better line-up on another weekend.

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I doubt CHIKARA will change dates - they've run opposite BOLA a few times now, and have been running that weekend longer than PWG have, as it's a bank holiday weekend in the US.

I already suspected that CHIKARA would be reluctant to use many of the "WWE UK" names, as they would be running the risk of them getting pulled from the card at short notice for WWE commitments - otherwise you'd think British Strong Style would be a dead cert for a UK Trios tournament, particularly as CHIKARA are on good terms with them anyway.

I'd definitely think BOLA is likely to write out a lot of the bigger UK names, but I don't think CHIKARA will go so far as to change dates to avoid it.

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On ‎28‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 0:34 PM, BomberPat said:

How do people feel about double bookings/cancelled bookings?

Travis Banks was announced for CHIKARA's King of Trios as part of the CCK trio, but has just been announced for PWG's BOLA on the same weekend. Looks likely that he'll be pulling out of Trios to work BOLA.

To me, that's disappointing - I'm a firm believer that a wrestler should honour their bookings, and that it's only fair on promoters and ticket-buying fans to do so, but at the same time, I can understand why a wrestler would take a "better" opportunity over one they're already booked for.

In this case, I doubt anyone bought tickets for Trios specifically because Travis Banks was going to be there, so it'll be disappointing, but it's not like a big draw headliner has pulled out and pissed people off who bought tickets to see them. But I feel for CHIKARA - they're the ones that, presumably, will be left scrambling to find a replacement, and looking like dicks if they don't deliver.

The issue with the Travis Banks thing is that it is just the latest in a string of similar situations that have all happened in recent weeks, with wrestlers pulling out of confirmed "smaller" indie bookings in order to stay in with "bigger" super indies that seem to have all the sway:

- Jimmy Havoc, Chris Brookes, Jinny and London Riots pulling out of a WAR show they were booked for in Manchester for over 6 months in order to do PROGRESS in Cologne this Saturday (causing the already sold-out WAR show to be cancelled in the end).

- Chris Brookes & Kid Lykos (and Mark Haskins??) pulling out of a TIDAL show they were booked for in Leeds at the end of July in order to do PROGRESS in Manchester that day instead.

And it's not that long ago that Matt Riddle pulled out of PCW in order to do PWG Mystery Vortex (though there were suggestions PCW knew about that some time before and didn't announce it to fans until the day, but who knows).

Now, you'll never find me thinking that talented wrestlers should be prevented from occasionally withdrawing from certain events in order to take up rare opportunities to advance their careers and possibly move on to bigger things.  This is their job; their livelihood.  For example, to do a WWE tryout, or the BOLA tournament, which is probably the indie wrestling showcase event of the year with plenty of eyes on it, and possibly a route into the top US indies, Japan and even WWE.  You'd at least hope that the wrestlers went to the promoter that originally booked them and asked to be released from their booking rather than just saying "Nah, I'm not doing your show any more". If the original promoter recognises the opportunity at stake for that wrestler, you would expect that they would reasonably let them go.

What it is, though, is incredibly frustrating for the fans who buy tickets to see these shows and be subject to all the line-up changes and cancellations.

While we do have an incredibly strong scene at the moment, with more decent quality shows taking place all over the country every weekend than at any time in my lifetime and British and indie stars making waves across the world, the success of some certain promotions in these thriving times (through their own hard work, it has to be said) has led to a hierarchy of indie promotions, with some elevated to a level perceived to be higher with wrestlers not daring not to work for them whenever they come asking.  There's only so many spots, so many merch table spaces and so many routes into WWE.  So if you don't do, say, PROGRESS whenever they call you at whatever notice, then there's always the danger that you won't get your storyline and won't get more bookings with them in future.  So, the power these promotions have seemingly ended having over everyone means they are naturally able to control who works and when, which leaves everyone else at their whim.  I'm not saying that's a bad thing or a good thing in the overall scheme of things; just frustrating for those caught up in it.

Just an unfortunate inevitability of the scene these days - it is what it is.

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On 28/06/2017 at 6:19 AM, bAzTNM#1 said:

Did you ever get a chance to hear what Bruce Pritchard said was legit going to be the Wrestlemania 7 main event?

Vince was going to put General Adnan with fucking Tugboat (make him Sheik Tugboat) and have him face Hogan at Wrestlemania. Insane.

 

that doesn't surprise me. The Hogan/Tugboat friendship always felt weird as a kid, it just sort of started and they were best mates.

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It's a classic Hogan formula for the match, too, to have him work against a bloke bigger than him so he can be the underdog fighting back against the odds. I can see why they'd have gone with it from an in-ring perspective, but the whole Iraqi sympathiser angle carried so much more weight with Sarge than if it had gone to anyone else.

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