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44 minutes ago, PunkStep said:

You let them sit there with their GB News and say nothing?

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Any perceived conflict really sets my partner on edge so she asked me to not to take the bait. To be honest, this visit nothing was said and it was just on in the background. Nothing really does get said anymore because whenever a moan about the country starts, my partner simply says “Ahem, you voted for it” and it ends there. 

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TBH I also detest how 'fake news' has been allowed to be absorbed into the lexicon.

It was a phrase popularised by Trump to try and slur accurate reporting, just because he didn't like what was said.

It grinds my gears to hear it used day to day.

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8 minutes ago, garynysmon said:

TBH I also detest how 'fake news' has been allowed to be absorbed into the lexicon.

It was a phrase popularised by Trump to try and slur accurate reporting, just because he didn't like what was said.

It grinds my gears to hear it used day to day.

The right wing have always been good at that, largely in this country because they have a tame press, and in America because they always treat the president with something between kid gloves and reverence, so tend to unquestioningly repeat his every utterance. What that means is that their buzzwords get picked up and the rest of us end up on the back foot because we're letting them define the terms of the debate - whether that's woke, fake news, political correctness, or for a little while "alternative facts". 

I know "fake news" predates Trump - Obama used it to refer to genuine fake news stories before Trump used it to refer to whatever he disagreed with - but it's a Trumpism in practice if not in origin.

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“Trolling” is one that annoys me. Originally meaning someone stating an opinion that purposely goes against the general consensus - regardless of if they believe it or not - purely to wind up people for a laugh. 
 

Now it just means saying something mean to someone on the internet. 

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18 minutes ago, wordsfromlee said:

Now it just means saying something mean to someone on the internet. 

Or 'about' someone on the internet. David Baddiel has had particularly poor form on this - I remember him doing something on daytime TV about trolls, and the examples they were giving included people who didn't tag in the person they were talking about. 

This is where thin-skinned celebrities go out of their way to see what people are saying about them, then criticising them for trolling.

It's become synonymous with haters in a way it really shouldn't have. 

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17 minutes ago, Chris B said:

Or 'about' someone on the internet. David Baddiel has had particularly poor form on this - I remember him doing something on daytime TV about trolls, and the examples they were giving included people who didn't tag in the person they were talking about. 

This is where thin-skinned celebrities go out of their way to see what people are saying about them, then criticising them for trolling.

It's become synonymous with haters in a way it really shouldn't have. 

Baddiel has poor form on everything.  Remember when he was on a show and was commenting on supposed troll tweets. He said one of them got their 15 minutes of fame by having their tweet on the telly. It was pointed out to him that Martyn Ware, who made the tweet, was a founding member of Heaven 17 so had already had more than 15 minutes of fame so blackface tried to reverse it and say how he was a big fan and was sorry for implying he was some random pleb on the internet. Absolute bellend. Says a lot about where we are if that jebend is held up as some intellectual anti racist authority. 

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1 hour ago, wordsfromlee said:

Now it just means saying something mean to someone on the internet.

There used to be a different term for this- flaming! I haven't heard that used in yonks. Baz probably uses it.

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2 hours ago, BomberPat said:

The right wing have always been good at that, largely in this country because they have a tame press, and in America because they always treat the president with something between kid gloves and reverence, so tend to unquestioningly repeat his every utterance. What that means is that their buzzwords get picked up and the rest of us end up on the back foot because we're letting them define the terms of the debate - whether that's woke, fake news, political correctness, or for a little while "alternative facts". 

It's also because the right wing tends to deal in very simplistic terms, so they can reduce people and political viewpoints to basic, often incomplete or misleading, ideas.

I recently saw (can't quite remember where) a graphic someone posted about a right-wing quote that said "The left can't meme", and the response was "Well, no - because we actually require nuance and detail that can't be reduced to some pithy line or phrase".

2 hours ago, BomberPat said:

I know "fake news" predates Trump - Obama used it to refer to genuine fake news stories before Trump used it to refer to whatever he disagreed with - but it's a Trumpism in practice if not in origin.

A bit how "virtue-signalling" originated on the left to describe those Citizen Smith types who really only were interested in socialist politics and wearing all the apparel to attract girls, rather than because they believed in it - and now right-wingers fling it at anyone who espouses politics they don't like, even if the person in question is actually matching their words with their actions.

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21 hours ago, Carbomb said:

A bit how "virtue-signalling" originated on the left to describe those Citizen Smith types who really only were interested in socialist politics and wearing all the apparel to attract girls, rather than because they believed in it - and now right-wingers fling it at anyone who espouses politics they don't like, even if the person in question is actually matching their words with their actions.

"Political correctness" was a similar one; it originated in lefty academic circles as a somewhat tongue-in-cheek criticism of people who got too bogged down in semantics and theory, and not in practical application. But the word seeped out into a wider context, where, to skirt around a Stewart Lee reference, it seems to exist alongside "health and safety" as some sort of dubious bogeyman for people like the bloke in my old local who managed to turn almost every conversation into a complaint that you can't sell gollywogs any more (you can), or to complain that "you can't call it a manhole no more".

A lot of that sort of terminology tends to originate in a specific context - often academia - and just becomes reduced to meaninglessness, not only by the press and right-wing talking heads, but these days often by well-meaning liberal types. "Cultural appropriation" is one that is a valid concept, but was just bludgeoned into vague liberal nothingness by terminally online teenagers. Same goes for things like "white privilege" and "toxic masculinity"; people throwing them around with no real understanding do just as much of a disservice to tackling the concepts behind them as right-wingers actively misconstruing them - because it muddies the waters of what things actually mean, and it gives bad actors all the ammunition in the world to to argue that the concepts are either invalid, or anti-white, anti-man, anti-British, whatever their point of contention is. 

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1 hour ago, BomberPat said:

Political correctness" was a similar one; it originated in lefty academic circles as a somewhat tongue-in-cheek criticism of people who got too bogged down in semantics and theory

It originated in the movement for the abolition of slavery didn’t it? Saying how enslavement wasn’t a politically correct thing to do. 

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The internet was cooler before everyone's parents got on it. Sat sharing all sorts of shite on Facebook but barely a clue how anything works at all. Like someone who can't drive sat in the car screaming out the windows.

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18 hours ago, Duke said:

The word is "awake". 

 

Thank you.

My friend has a five-year old, and the youngster asked her what the word meant. Mum explained that it means 'awake', to be awake and to be open to accepting different people of different backgrounds, cultures, sexualities, etc. The toddler replied 'Cool! I like being awake!'

...Scum. Sub-human scum. 

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17 hours ago, Keith Houchen said:

It originated in the movement for the abolition of slavery didn’t it? Saying how enslavement wasn’t a politically correct thing to do. 

you may be right - Wiki has some examples of it in early Marxism and fascism too, so it may well predate all that. I don't think it had quite the modern meaning so much then, though; it seems to have meant sticking to the party line, essentially. Whereas the modern meaning of it as being hyper-focused on the right language more than on practicality or outcomes is a thing of the '70s Left.

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Bumping this thread despite an upstart popping up.

Was just listening to Heart on the way to work (I know, I know) and there were doing that "letters of the alphabet" against the clock quiz with D for the letter, and the contestant volunteered Demi Moore for "actor." At the end, the presenter gave the best bit of accidental Partridge I've heard for a while ;

"I could hear you hesitated a bit on Demi Moore, thinking she's an actress, but actor is absolutely fine." 

You could totally hear the silent "these days" at the end of the sentence. Because in these "woke" days everyone is actor, you can't say actress or assume anyone's gender these days can you! Bloody liberal snowflakes etc. I know I infer a lot from a couple of words, you'll have to trust me, it was in his tone. Coogan would have been proud. As, I imagine, would have been the Mail readers.

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