Guest Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 I agree they should still do it elsewhere, but I can tolerate vape clouds much more easily than cigarette smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Just now, Uncle Zeb said: I agree they should still do it elsewhere, but I can tolerate vape clouds much more easily than cigarette smoke. That's my point though. I don't smoke anywhere where the smoke might affect anyone. I either smoke in the smoking bit at work, or find a quiet spot in a park, by the river etc where there's barely anyone around. Agreed that cigarette smoke is rank and in my non smoker times when I quit, I can't stand it. I can't even stand it when I am smoking! God its been a stressful day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Vapes are going to turn out to be hugely carcinogenic and bad for you and then everyone will act surprised as if the tobacco giants haven't been coming up new with ways to sell you nicotine for a century, health be damned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted March 9, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: Quite often when you see “Hitler and the nazis were socialists”, some wag will reply with some variation of “Do you think Buffalo wings are Buffalo meat”. Their confident stupidity annoys me more than it should. The main thing with the "Nazis were Socialists" thing is just to point out that their argument boils down to, "well, Hitler said that they were Socialists, and he seems a trustworthy sort". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 No one who speaks German could be an evil man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted March 10, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 10, 2023 I think I've mentioned this before, but I think it's fucking awful when a song has to borrow lyrics from or make allusions to other songs or artists because the writer isn't creative enough to tell the story they want to in their own words. The worst of all time for me being "Let's Dance To Joy Division" by the irredeemably shit Wombats which might as well be the sound of pissing on Ian Curtis' grave, "All Summer Long" by Kid Rock being another incredibly grating one (might as well just sing Sweet Home Alabama, you twat), and the line "like Frankie said, I did it my way" in "It's My Life" being the first clue young raid spotted that maybe Bon Jovi were going a bit downhill. Well, the radio's pumping loads of it into my earholes currently. That "2002" song by Anne-Marie a couple of years back pissed me off a treat, but if it wasn't enough one song having to include "hit me baby, one more time" to remind us that HEY WASN'T EARLY BRITNEY THE BOLLOCKS Y'ALL, I've just been exposed to 1999 by Charli XCX doing the exact same thing, and today a song by some lad talking about "like Katy Perry, kiss a lucky girl" - oh, can you fuck off? Covers are one thing but Christ, can you not write a song people might like without going "remember this other song you like?" It's terrible. Noted exception being Eddie Money's "Take Me Home Tonight" because Ronnie Spector's actually in it. And because I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 How is it any different to a film or TV show making a reference to another film or TV show? It's just a pop culture reference isn't it? Also Charli XCX is brilliant, so no slander please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gmoney Posted March 10, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 10, 2023 It happens on about 75% of all hip hop albums. Like everything, when it's done well it's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Wait until he finds out about covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, gmoney said: It happens on about 75% of all hip hop albums. Like everything, when it's done well it's good. That was my main takeaway as well, as hip hop is a VERY referential type of music. I think I've spoken about this before but it's one of the main reasons I loved it, as back in the pre Google days, most of it was a complete mystery, especially when they referenced sports people. When Phife mentions Muggsy Bogues in Steve Biko (Stir It Up) for years I thought it was Musty Bones. God bless rap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 10, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, gmoney said: It happens on about 75% of all hip hop albums. Like everything, when it's done well it's good. 6 minutes ago, SuperBacon said: That was my main takeaway as well, as hip hop is a VERY referential type of music. I think I've spoken about this before but it's one of the main reasons I loved it, as back in the pre Google days, most of it was a complete mystery, especially when they referenced sports people. When Phife mentions Muggsy Bogues in Steve Biko (Stir It Up) for years I thought it was Musty Bones. God bless rap. Have to hold my hands up and say that a big part of why I avoided rap and hip-hop for a long time was my snobbishness regarding that particular element of it. Coupled with the (ludicrously wrong) idea that rapping was just the avenue for talentless people who couldn't sing, I wrote it all off as just a load of rip-off music designed to sell a shallow materialistic lifestyle, even though, contradictorily, I liked a lot of stuff from the 80s. Then I actually took the time to properly listen. It's not suddenly become my favourite music of all time, but that previous thinking is so far behind me I'm a bit embarrassed that I ever had that perspective. I love the creativity of it all, and I've listened to enough now that I think I have a good idea of who my favourites might be - I particularly like lyricists; I'm always blown away by the poetry of the best bars I've heard from them, and I know I still need to hear more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Carbomb said: Have to hold my hands up and say that a big part of why I avoided rap and hip-hop for a long time was my snobbishness regarding that particular element of it. Coupled with the (ludicrously wrong) idea that rapping was just the avenue for talentless people who couldn't sing, I wrote it all off as just a load of rip-off music designed to sell a shallow materialistic lifestyle, even though, contradictorily, I liked a lot of stuff from the 80s. Then I actually took the time to properly listen. It's not suddenly become my favourite music of all time, but that previous thinking is so far behind me I'm a bit embarrassed that I ever had that perspective. I love the creativity of it all, and I've listened to enough now that I think I have a good idea of who my favourites might be - I particularly like lyricists; I'm always blown away by the poetry of the best bars I've heard from them, and I know I still need to hear more. As a bit of a nerd, I loved all the references, as it was just very other-worldly. Hearing Nas rap "sipping Ian Jay (E&J obviously) sitting bent up in the stairway" was fascinating. "Who was Ian Jay, and why was he sipping him?" was my thought process. Even now I love finding out things from songs I've listened to for years. There's line in a Big L song from, I think, Lord Finesse and he says "your styles played out like an Oshkosh jumpsuit" and I must've heard it a thousand times before I looked up what Oshkosh is. It's a clothing line that I don't think we ever got over here. Sorry, went off a slight tangent there. Probably best for the rap thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I hear you @SuperBacon and agree that it is lazy song writing, however it does stop the online detectives trying to decipher the shit out of it like a Bray Wyatt vignette. There’s no personal interpretation or ambiguity to anything anymore, everything has to be connected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Rap I'm agnostic about, but hip hop is the greatest music art form! It's referential by its very nature - the sampling and re-use of a pre existing break to create the basis of a new piece. It's like William Burrough's cut-up technique in music form. I've sampled hiphop records that have sampled hiphop records that sampled a hiphop record that sampled James Brown, and each layer adds a colour and texture that is unachievable with synthesis or live recording. Of course that raises huge legal questions that the music industry has never really solved. @air_raidI sympathise completely with your issues, but it's mainly you - you've got old! Hit Me Baby One More Time was 25 years ago. To put that into perspective, The Magic Number by De La Soul sampled 3 Is The Magic Number, which was only 16 years old (and Led Zep's The Crunge which was a similar age). Happy Days was made in the 70s and was set in the 50s - a 20 year gap which is less than between now and Hit Me Baby. You got old, stallion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Loki said: Rap I'm agnostic about, but hip hop is the greatest music art form! Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this? You see a difference between what is rap and what is hip hop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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