Paid Members LaGoosh Posted April 21, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted April 21, 2020 I think most wrestlers are only ever actually good by their 30s when they've slowed way down, cut out most their high spots and got to grips with proper psychology and character work. Also means WWE gets a solid 5-7 year-ish run when they're at their best and less likely to overstay their welcome. Rather than today when they're hired in their early 20s, work a boring high spot based style, never get over and do absolutely fuck all for what feels like forever (Dolph Ziggler is the perfect example of this). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted April 21, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted April 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, LaGoosh said: I think most wrestlers are only ever actually good by their 30s when they've slowed way down, cut out most their high spots and got to grips with proper psychology and character work. Absolutely. It's very rare that you might someone who absolutely gets it in their teens and twenties, and there are plenty of older wrestlers you look at and think, "God, if only you had known what you know now when you looked like you did then". It's like the "be yourself turned up to eleven" advice that always gets farmed out, with Austin and Rock as big examples of it working. But it's terrible advice to give to a rookie, because in the beginning, they don't know who "yourself" is in wrestling terms, nor do they have the knowledge to understand which parts of themselves to turn up. Yes, Steve Austin became a megastar by becoming Stone Cold. But he needed years of being Stunning or Superstar or The Ringmaster to learn the ins and outs of the business, to learn how to work, to become a TV-ready talent, and to learn who he was before he was ready to be Stone Cold. He couldn't have been Stone Cold Steve Austin in 1991. There's a lot to be said for WWE needing more of a turnaround, but arbitrarily cutting talent who have been there above a certain time even if they've been making them millions is madness. Enforcing that back in the day would have seen them cut Bret Hart before he became Intercontinental Champion. To talk about the AJW enforced retirement age is misleading, because that probably ended up doing them more harm than good. It meant that the bigger stars were forced out, and eventually killed the fan interest because those stars weren't replaceable. You can't just slot someone else in to a spot previously occupied by an Aja Kong, Akira Hokuto or Manami Toyota - or in this WWE fantasy, a Brock Lesnar or a Roman Reigns - and assume that fans will care just as much. You may as well give them Fake Diesel. And so much of the notable talent that were cut loose at 26 didn't retire, they went on to work elsewhere, or to start up their own promotions, which ended up competing with AJW and saturating the market. To talk of the Freebirds selling out buildings in their teens and twenties is one thing, but they didn't sell them out alone. They'd sell out opposite Stan Hansen, Bill Watts, Dick Murdoch, Wahoo McDaniel, Junkyard Dog, and so on, and later the Von Erichs. Long-term, established talent. Speaking of the Von Erichs - they're another indication of the danger of thinking you can just replace established stars with a younger model. Their hand was forced, but how many times did Fritz force one of his kids (or kayfabe a relationship) to step up and try and be David or Kerry after they were gone, and how did it compare to the real thing? WWE's roster is stale as hell, for sure. The solution isn't to just fire people for the sin of having been employed too long. Move to rotating on-and-off seasons, better enforce brand splits, rotate people between RAW, Smackdown, NXT, NXT UK, and just being off TV entirely. Repackage people that need repackaging. Let more people go to a more part-time schedule (at least on TV). But getting rid of the people who make you money has never exactly been a top business strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members unfitfinlay Posted April 21, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted April 21, 2020 I don't think you can fairly compare AJW in the 90s and Dallas in the 80s to WWE in 2020 anyway. They are completely different business models. The other two only had to worry about drawing houses. WWE's got to worry about TV companies, sponsors, Network subscribers, shareholders and Saudi Princes, all of whom might be just a little bit upset if WWE sacked everyone who was actually over "just to freshen things up." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Kevin Owens has been Benoit’d now as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted April 21, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 21, 2020 You'll have to explain that one to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Astro Hollywood Posted April 21, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 21, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, PowerButchi said: You'll have to explain that one to me. He hasn’t been on Raw for the last two weeks and they haven’t mentioned him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Blog Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Astro Hollywood said: Cena is such a nark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 https://www.orangecountyfl.net/BoardofCommissioners/PublicComment.aspx#.Xp8aCCXTXDs There’s the form to put a comment in. “John” probably wrote his after his friend Mark didn’t get a reply from Snickers, and will be one of the first to get outraged when his favourite jobber goes in the next round of cuts if the TV shows get shut down. Or it’s a real WWE crew member who is scared to speak out to his higher-ups because he doesn’t want to lose his job, yet contacted the government to shut the tapings down so he loses his job. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannibal Man Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) Probably have my job officially mothballed by a government than risk at minimum the higher probability of death, and be held hostage in a job that's only continuing because the insane cunt running the show bribed the state openly then fired about 250 people. and if it is a fan, it's even funnier given that's how someone got a response off them last time. Years of stone faced fuck all then someone emails chocolate. Fair play. Edited April 21, 2020 by Cannibal Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted April 21, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) "John." Edited April 21, 2020 by Supremo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannibal Man Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 which ones John? can see Juan, Gran Metalik, Lince & Kalisto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted April 21, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted April 21, 2020 I think you have to be pretty deep into the "every single fan but me has an irrational hatred of Vince McMahon" rabbit hole to see a reasonable complaint raised in exceptional circumstances as being an aggrieved fan, and not the Occam's Razor explanation of it being a genuine complaint for an employee of a company that's forcing its employees to work at a time when all sensible people would advise otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Gran is Mexican for John. Not to be confused with Greg The Hammer Valentine, who is the spitting image of almost everyone’s Gran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bellenda Carlisle Posted April 21, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted April 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Cannibal Man said: which ones John? can see Juan, Gran Metalik, Lince & Kalisto You can't see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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