Keith Houchen Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Hell In The Cell wasn't a great match, it was a great spectacle. Thats why it is remembered so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 The Undertaker was really banged up, well both were, both guys were limited at what they could do and Taker didnt look weak, just more sadistic. Undertaker-Austin sort of sold it's self for that Summer Slam, they still had two months to heat up that match. Mankind was basically in a nothing dumpster match if I remember at SummerSlam and I'm sure it was the next PPV The Rock was getting big cheers above Mankind & Ken Shamrock, I think that's the one he gave himself the mandible claw, instead of tapping out but it was really his skits and Socko that made him a proper babyface back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted November 25, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 25, 2017 With hindsight, it's probably the dumbest match in company history, but the spectacle (as Keith rightly calls it) of it is undeniable. It's a match you can show anyone and they're probably going to give it their full attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrasslin Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Would Mankind have got the event run with The Rock had that not happened? And then subsequently the stuff with Triple H? Maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Wrasslin said: Would Mankind have got the event run with The Rock had that not happened? And then subsequently the stuff with Triple H? Maybe not. Who knows, he probably wouldn't have been as over but he had just headlined two PPVs with Austin, maybe Kane could have and Triple H & Ken Shamrock had already wrestled The Rock enough, it wasn't like they had a ton of top guys, they needed The Undertaker to keep Austin & The Rock separated until Wrestlemania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gmoney Posted November 26, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2017 I dunno, if you go back and watch the Raws from that summer, Foley isn't appreciatively more over after the Hell in the Cell, he only really starts getting more cheers when he does the comedy stuff. It definitely added a layer of authenticity to him, but no one in the arenas appeared to give a shit in the weeks immediately following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 26, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) On 22/11/2017 at 7:11 PM, NoUseforaUsername said: Garbage match which is only remembered because of two stunts. But it accomplished what Mick wanted it to. Nobody remembers the fact that Undertaker won heading into a title program with Austin at Summerslam, just like nobody remembered Rock beating Foley at Royal Rumble heading into a program with Austin at WrestleMania. Come on son, thinking of it like that completely discredits why its so remembered and iconic. Professional sports (and i'll stick pro wrestling in that group for the purpose of this discussion) is littered with moments like that. That's like saying "all everyone remembers is Cantona kung fu kicking the fan at Palace, everyone seems to forget that the game finishing 1-1 seriously dented United's chances of catching Blackburn Rovers that season". Edited November 26, 2017 by Egg Shen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted November 26, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2017 And to bring it closer to home, it's like saying that Austin bleeding and refusing to tap out of the Sharpshooter is why nobody remembers Bret retaining the championship. Everything has a purpose of its own, and sometimes the match isn't what's meant to be focused on. Sometimes it's the match, sometimes it's the storyline, sometimes it's the promo, sometimes it's the angle, sometimes it's the character. Look at HBK's original heel turn. Sure, the match with Jannetty was fun and people looked forward to it, but that wasn't the purpose of the angle. Go back slightly further, and you could say the same about him slapping Marty after they'd just lost their title challenge against the Legion Of Doom. Nobody was really supposed to remember the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted November 26, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2017 46 minutes ago, Carbomb said: And to bring it closer to home, it's like saying that Austin bleeding and refusing to tap out of the Sharpshooter is why nobody remembers Bret retaining the championship. What Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted November 26, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2017 Clearly the focus of the Sid/Taker match was to be completely forgettable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted November 26, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, tiger_rick said: What Championship? See, there you go. The rest of that storyline had me forgetting it was Taker/Sid for the belt. I only remembered the Sharpshooter angle. I barely remember the rest of the match itself too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted November 26, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Carbomb said: See, there you go. The rest of that storyline had me forgetting it was Taker/Sid for the belt. I only remembered the Sharpshooter angle. I barely remember the rest of the match itself too. The best match there's ever been (probably) is an odd example of your original point if I'm honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted November 26, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, tiger_rick said: The best match there's ever been (probably) is an odd example of your original point if I'm honest. I wouldn't agree it's the best ever, but to each his own. It's still pretty amazing, but I've personally found (and maybe you disagree) that, even with the greatest of matches, people tend to remember certain, specific points, while the rest of the match tends to fade in the memory until they watch it again. Case in point: as I've mentioned so many times, Hart/Piper at WM8. Awesome match, but the things I remember the most are Roddy's ring-bell dilemma, and the finish. I can't remember much else. My point throughout all this rambling is that the moments are what make things, whether it be match, angle, storyline, or whatever. Foley being thrown off the cage was a moment, and contributed to making that match with Taker so memorable - it wasn't a separate element that over-shadowed the rest of it, it was an integral element that enhanced the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members garynysmon Posted August 2, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 2, 2022 Foley's had his Twitter account hacked and is being held up for money. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02eYrhXbq1mdcXU6aRdVsdqrtkH5LWsfzGdapEq76cvLnMcT1EXBadRmnRE7y77FaUl&id=100044576373055 Clearly their due diligence is severely lacking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jesse Posted August 2, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 2, 2022 Mick entering backstage "Would anyone like the honour of paying for Mr. Foley's Twitter account?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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