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23 hours ago, SpiderJason said:

Michael 

Your 'joke' during a time of great review by the industry following #speakingout revealing huge amounts of abuse aimed at women wrestlers and fans was to imply a much loved and respected man would masturbate over a book that touched on a lot of the same themes and represents a minority group of fans. 

You simply dismissed the book due to it being about women and insulted a legend who has done huge things to support women in the industry and raise money for related charities. 

I have a sense of humour. The book has jokes and dark humour in some chapters about how bad it can be. But your attempt did not work. 

You misfired greatly, revealed a lot about your character and should simply apologise and accept you need to do better. Please reflect on this.

I dont apologise for things I'm not sorry for. I also dont accept lectures from others on doing better. Had I made a joke about sexual violence against women you would have a point. But I was ripping the piss out of a bloke whose behaviour has been creepy. The guy consistently tried to befriend woman half his age. If he was the average Joe people would wonder why he was being such a creep. Because he threw himself off a cage people want to give him a free pass. 

I wasn't condoning sexual violence toward women. You are conflating two very different things. 

I am not in any way implying Foley has done anything wrong but I find him cringy and creepy and have the right to say so. 

I didn't make any reference to the book content as I haven't read it. I wasn't downplaying the act of publishing a book, its a huge achievement and one I couldnt do. I am sure it's a good read but I never said it wasn't. 

Of course you are welcome to your opinion and I will of course bare your concerns in mind when I post the next mildly offensive comment about a multi millionaire w a huge platform. :)

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My partner's just finished Unladylike: A Grrrl's Guide To Wrestling by Heather Bandenberg and they've been raving about it all day. It's about one of the women who went through Lucha Britannia, and from what little I've read so far it's genuinely funny and much better written than your average wrestling book, probably owing to the author also being a journalist for The Guardian. I'm gonna give it a read a write a proper review, but if anyone's looking for a modern britwres book, or just a women's wrestling book since those a pretty thin on the ground, then it's worth a look. 

I also picked up A Fan's Perspective by Oliver Newman for ego and nostalgia reasons. While it's nice to have some of my matches and shows reviewed in book form, the word 'book' is doing a lot of heavy lifting. It's more like a run-on collection of mySpace blogs featuring the results from a whole bunch of britwres shows in the early mid-2000's, mostly from around the West Midlands. There's not so much reviews, just some basic descriptions of stuff that happened, if anyone's read any of Oli's stuff you know what I'm talking about. Other than the reason I bought it I'm not quite sure who it's for or who would want it, but it exists.

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Heather's book is great - I'm biased because I know a lot of the names involved and whatnot, but it's really funny, and it's a look at a side of wrestling that most wrestling books would never touch upon; most are written by fans, or they're autobiographies of the big names, so if they look at the indie scene at all, it's usually very briefly, or as a bit of a "I paid my dues by doing this" character building. It's rare for a book to go into that much detail on the ins and outs of training, of working for a small promotion, and the mad shit that goes into it. That Heather wasn't a wrestling fan before she started training means it likely reads so much better to non-fans than most wrestling books would, and means there's a real sense of humour to her approach to wrestling.

 

I've finally started reading Fall Guys: The Barnums of Bounce, after having it on my wishlist for years. I'm going back and forth on it a lot because I'm using it as reference material for something I'm working on, but it's fantastic - it's the second wrestling history book from the '30s that I've read, and I always find that fascinating because it's looking at a time pre-TV, pre-Gorgeous George, pre-NWA, all of which tend to be where a more modern wrestling history would effectively begin. This one's particularly interesting because it's really the first book-length expose of wrestling as a work. 

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12 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

I've finally started reading Fall Guys: The Barnums of Bounce, after having it on my wishlist for years. I'm going back and forth on it a lot because I'm using it as reference material for something I'm working on, but it's fantastic - it's the second wrestling history book from the '30s that I've read, and I always find that fascinating because it's looking at a time pre-TV, pre-Gorgeous George, pre-NWA, all of which tend to be where a more modern wrestling history would effectively begin. This one's particularly interesting because it's really the first book-length expose of wrestling as a work. 

I really need to get the Crowbar Press version (print only) which has notes from two wrestling historians throughout pointing out which parts may be lies/errors/exaggerations.

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9 minutes ago, JNLister said:

I really need to get the Crowbar Press version (print only) which has notes from two wrestling historians throughout pointing out which parts may be lies/errors/exaggerations.

Yeah, I was eyeing that one up not too long ago, but shipping was prohibitively expensive - I think it would have ended up costing me nearly £50 all told, and I'm not sure how much the additional information would be worth it.

The project I'm (hopefully) working on at the moment is a "History of Kayfabe", and the topic kind of gives me a built-in get-out clause for it not always being entirely accurate - the main things I'm using Fall Guys for is in reference to Gotch vs. Hackenschmidt and the Gold Dust Trio, and unless there's something revelatory, I'm not sure what annotations would add to how I'm approaching those topics. 

I would be interested to hear from someone who has read that edition, though. 

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I think at this rate all the UKFFer's that want Crowbar books should all chip in and buy the international printing rights, that and a printing press probably work out cheaper than the postage they ask for.

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