Paid Members gmoney Posted February 11 Paid Members Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, Carbomb said: It's such a weird thing to have seen. Spurs at the beginning of this season were quite impressive in their first couple of matches - they seemed to have a stability that they'd completely lacked before, which shored up their players' skills to the degree that they seemed incisive and dangerous. Then the wheels just came off. Other than a surprise win against City, the first few wins were against Burnley and a dogshit West Ham. The managed to draw against bloody Wolves in like their 5th game. I don't buy the narrative they were impressive to start. Quote
Members SuperBacon Posted February 11 Author Members Posted February 11 1 minute ago, gmoney said: Other than a surprise win against City, the first few wins were against Burnley and a dogshit West Ham. The managed to draw against bloody Wolves in like their 5th game. I don't buy the narrative they were impressive to start. We absolutely weren't and a lot of it was very much sad acts (not you Carbomb, not saying this is what you're doing) who desperately wanted to be vindicated in their "See! Told you I was right about Ange!" patheticness with a "grown up manager" in place. The media also played into this and this season Frank has been "unlucky with injuries" (he has) whereas last season Ange was too idealistic and he was the cause of the injuries and the problems. Our media is tragic. Only because Ange was direct, forthright and called them out on their bullshit. The mad thing is I don't think Frank is a bad manager. He did a wonderful job at Brentford (and as a Hounslow boy I will always appreciate that) and the Spurs job was too big for him. No shame in that. Having said that, some of the worst football I've ever seen, not just at Spurs, but in my entire life, and I used to watch Kingstonian weekly. Quote
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted February 11 Paid Members Posted February 11 Spurs need someone who can get them out of the relegation battle they are about to be in. Only one man for the job. Pints of wine all round. Quote
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted February 11 Paid Members Posted February 11 Frank tried to play the same way with Spurs as he was doing at Brentford. He didn't have the players to do that. His complete lack of adaptability just bordered on idiotic stubbornness in the end, in much the same way it went with Amorim. And for all their injuries, that first 11 they put out last night is still a pretty strong team on paper. Quote
Members SuperBacon Posted February 11 Author Members Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: And for all their injuries, that first 11 they put out last night is still a pretty strong team on paper. This is true, but when you have 4 youngsters on the bench without a single minute of Premier League football between them, its not great is it? Injuries mean players were being run into the ground. I always said Frank's not at fault for the way the squad is/was, but he is/was responsible for it. He sets up the team, Christ was it bad. Anyway, a real positive has been Archie Gray, what a tremendous future that boy will have. Quote
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted February 11 Paid Members Posted February 11 32 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: Frank tried to play the same way with Spurs as he was doing at Brentford. He didn't have the players to do that. His complete lack of adaptability just bordered on idiotic stubbornness in the end, in much the same way it went with Amorim. And for all their injuries, that first 11 they put out last night is still a pretty strong team on paper. Heard some good guests on The Athletic recently talking about the differences between Poch and Frank and for all both did a great job at a small club, Poch was playing football that completely translated to any big club at the time, while Frank was expected to rip up what made him successful because it just didn't fit a club the profile of Spurs. In some ways, I can get what he was doing, trying to be the antithesis of Ange's chaotic, suicidal style but, it's never going to be accepted at Spurs. Like it or not, Spurs had a demand for playing "the Spurs way" 30 years ago, let alone now when football is all about style and stats and coaches are talking about how it's fine to lose. He needed to be something he's not. A shame because he's a great guy and a good coach but he's not a big club manager. Quote
Members SuperBacon Posted February 11 Author Members Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, tiger_rick said: it's never going to be accepted at Spurs. It could be if it wasn't genuinely some of the worst football we've ever seen. You're asking fans who are paying the highest prices in European football to accept those performances where there has been zero progress in 8 months. Poch struggled his first season but you could at least see what he was trying to implement. With Frank there has been nothing to evidence what he was trying to do. Again, he's been hampered but he's the one that's set the team up so negatively. Obviously if it was up me to I'd get rid of these UTTER WOKE NONSENSE positions like defensive midfielders, but that's by the by. Quote
BrodyGraham Posted February 11 Posted February 11 (edited) What do Spurs do now though? Frank was supposed to be everything that they lacked with Ange, a pragmatic, adaptable, sensible coach. Levy was supposed to be the thing holding them back, and whilst it's not been that long since he left, have the other people in charge pulled up trees to make it a new dawn for Tottenham? What is the positive identity of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club? The wider notion of Spurs as a byword for haplessness is as far as I can see, having a few friends who are Spurs supporters, one that's been seeded by the fanbase. I dunno, I think most established clubs go through little identity crises but this weird aura of Schadenfreude appears to be Spurs' whole identity now. Edited February 11 by BrodyGraham Quote
Members SuperBacon Posted February 11 Author Members Posted February 11 Throw EVERYTHING at Klopp IMO. Quote
Paid Members mim731 Posted February 11 Paid Members Posted February 11 5 minutes ago, SuperBacon said: Throw EVERYTHING at Klopp IMO. This is going to be like that time Rivaldo wrote your lot a lovely letter, isn't it? If he doesn't go with Frank, surely Heitinga is getting the job til the end of the season? Realistically, Xavi, Alonso et al are probably not taking the job mid season, and I don't know how De Zerbi would get on. He's certainly a character, but might be a bit too Mourinho/Conte-like in that regard to succeed, but he also might do enough short term even it would feel a bit of knee-jerk appointment. Quote
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted February 11 Paid Members Posted February 11 Maybe they'll finally sign Solskjaer. Quote
westlondonmist Posted February 11 Posted February 11 One problem he had, which Ange didn't was that there is a bit of a relegation battle this season. The past few seasons the three at the bottom have been so far adrift it's unbelievable. That essentially enabled Ange to carry on as he had the Europa League to win, and no risk of relegation. Would Spurs' fans be happy with mid-table while a squad is built? Frank was able to build a team at Brentford in the Championship and work his way to a good team. They seemed to have a good statiscal analysis team as part of recruitment, which helped build his team. Can someone explain to be though why Spurs loaned in Heart's 4th choice striker? Seems a strange one. Quote
Paid Members mim731 Posted February 11 Paid Members Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, westlondonmist said: Can someone explain to be though why Spurs loaned in Heart's 4th choice striker? Seems a strange one. Loan to buy isn't it? Think other teams were sniffing about. Also surely spurs need the bodies at this stage given their injury woes. Quote
Members SuperBacon Posted February 11 Author Members Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, westlondonmist said: Would Spurs' fans be happy with mid-table while a squad is built? Absolutely. I'm under no illusions as to that squad but it's not relegation battle bad in my opinion. I just want to enjoy what I'm watching, same as everyone else. 4 minutes ago, westlondonmist said: Frank was able to build a team at Brentford in the Championship and work his way to a good team. They seemed to have a good statiscal analysis team as part of recruitment, which helped build his team. And for a season, they were a very good attacking team! Benrahma (what happened to him?) Mbeumo and Watkins were really fun to watch and fluid across the front 3. There's been zero signs of that. I also wonder how much it bothered him to have to hear booing, jeering, songs about being sacked etc when he was completely and justifiably, beloved at Griffin Park. That was a new (horrible) experience for him which must have weighed on him. That stadium can be absolutely brutal at times. 4 minutes ago, westlondonmist said: Can someone explain to be though why Spurs loaned in Heart's 4th choice striker? Seems a strange one. Its a weird one, banter I assume. The legacy of Gordon Durie and erm, Johnny Jackson I've had to endure a massive group chat today of Spurs fans calling for 78 year old Harry Redknapp, Ryan Mason, Tim Sherwood and Robbie Keane because "club DNA" or something. I'd rather just fold the club. Quote
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted February 11 Paid Members Posted February 11 42 minutes ago, SuperBacon said: It could be if it wasn't genuinely some of the worst football we've ever seen. I don't think it would be. You lot and West Ham were bleating about the style of football 20 years before anyone was bothered. There's no way they're accepting a team hitting long balls and playing for set pieces. They're not Arsenal, you know. I completely agree with you on the squad. Without injuries, it's a top 6 squad in good hands and even with them, it should be mid-table. Quote
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