Paid Members Arch Stanton Posted June 21, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 21, 2013 Maybe they could play this instead.... Â Â I'd love to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 The brawl for all was such a bad idea, wasn't it? From a continuity perspective, it was worse than Matt Hardy's "the rest of the show is fake, but this is real" promo. It created no stars (and even if he'd won, Dr Death wasn't any kind of competitor to Austin in 1998) and it injured nearly everyone in it. From reading his book, it makes you realise Bob Holly was the big winner of it. If it hadn't happened, Bombastic Bob might have been on the dole within months, but he got people backstage noticing he was tough and ended up with Hardcore Holly a few months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted June 21, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 21, 2013 Dr Death might have got the "man with beard" position in the Corporation had he won the Brawl 4 All. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted June 22, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2013 Howard Finkel visits the WWE Tape Library.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members garynysmon Posted June 22, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2013 Blimey, the Fink has put on some weight hasn't he?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted June 22, 2013 Awards Moderator Share Posted June 22, 2013 Howard Finkel visits the WWE Tape Library..I love seeing these behind the scenes places - always wondered what the tape archive must look like and how they preserve the older stuff. Must be a fascinating place to work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Kaz Hayashi Posted June 22, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2013 Not sure if its been posted but there is a 'visits Jim Johnston' selection of pics too. Being a producer, I've always been a massive fan of Jim and hugely intrigued by WWE's creative team. The studio looks bloody marvellous.  http://www.wwe.com/classics/howard-finkel-...c-studio-photos  Although they are pics, I've always wanted to see a feature length 'classic albums' style recording of Jim and co at work. How they start creating the theme, who gives the go ahead, other versions they may not use. Fucking dream land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronSheik Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Watched about four hours of Vince Russo shoot interviews on Youtube the past couple of nights. You can see he has an ego, you can see why he would rub people up the wrong way, but alot of what he says makes sense to me and he did contribute heavily to the hottest period in history. Is he considered the anti-Christ on here or is he liked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted June 22, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) What is it that makes sense? The difference between Vince Russo and everyone else with big ideas is, he's been there the last decade booking for a national promotion. He can say what he likes, but he's been there and died on his arse at it. The reason his stuff makes sense is that he's a kool aid pusher and thats why he gets work. Making yourself look great on a shoot interview is one thing but murdering the business of two national promotions takes some doing.Thing with Russo is, when he left the WWF their business continued to grow and their ideas got even better. When Russo was left to his own devices the company he was working for crumbled. You have to look at it like this. How were Austin, Rock, Undertaker, DX and Mankind exceptional after (and in some cases before) Russo wrote for them, yet Russo was shite 12 years after he left the WWF? I've not got a hard on for Russo like a lot of people have, but he's the main reason why TNA will be always seen as a joke to everyone outside their audience. Edited June 22, 2013 by IANdrewDiceClay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronSheik Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 What is it that makes sense? The difference between Vince Russo and everyone else with big ideas is, he's been there the last decade booking for a national promotion. He can say what he likes, but he's been there and died on his arse at it. The reason his stuff makes sense is that he's a kool aid pusher and thats why he gets work. Making yourself look great on a shoot interview is one thing but murdering the business of two national promotions takes some doing.Thing with Russo is, when he left the WWF their business continued to grow and their ideas got even better. When Russo was left to his own devices the company he was working for crumbled. You have to look at it like this. How were Austin, Rock, Undertaker, DX and Mankind exceptional after (and in some cases before) Russo wrote for them, yet Russo was shite 12 years after he left the WWF? I've not got a hard on for Russo like a lot of people have, but he's the main reason why TNA will be always seen as a joke to everyone outside their audience.Fair comment, but he would argue he very rarely had total control in TNA even before Hogan came in. I dunno how true or not that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted June 22, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Of course he would say that. "Their ratings have went down since I left" is his answer to why TNA has such shite viewership and "I never had full control" is his answer why buyrates went from 20-30,000 a month to 6,000. Also nobody gets full control. If Russo wants full control, he should set his own federation up. He had more control in TNA than he did the WWF, but he takes full credit for that. Edited June 22, 2013 by IANdrewDiceClay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted June 23, 2013 Moderators Share Posted June 23, 2013 In all fairness, I'll give Vince Russo one thing, he's fucking brilliant at writing the first chapter of a story. However, a novel is several hundred pages and he's fucking awful at the rest of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Butternut Squash Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) You have to look at it like this. How were Austin, Rock, Undertaker, DX and Mankind exceptional after (and in some cases before) Russo wrote for them, yet Russo was shite 12 years after he left the WWF? I've not got a hard on for Russo like a lot of people have, but he's the main reason why TNA will be always seen as a joke to everyone outside their audience.Did he write stuff for them? I always thought he only wrote midcard stuff in WWF.EDIT: though I guess some of them were midcard whilst he was there. Edited June 23, 2013 by Mr Butternut Squash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Maverick Posted June 23, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 23, 2013 Does anyone think Gordon Solie was abit rubbish? I really don't like his commentary with his monotone smokers voice. It's not as if I don't like commentators from that era ever as I believe Lance Russell to be the best announcer ever and I liked Bill Mercer who did the WCCW shows. I might just be rubbish with announcers though as I always preferred Schiavone too JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted June 23, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) Downloaded the FWE iPPV, because it had a few names on it. Carlito vs Morrison, RVD vs Dreamer and Matt Strikers debut was enough for me to spend the 0 pence on it and have a look. Its all kinds of fun. The whole card was filled with ex-WWF wrestlers, of the last 2 to 5 years. People like Chris Masters, Maria, RVD, Carlito. Basically the regulars that pop up. Really enjoyed it even if the camera work was shoddy. Matt Striker tore it up at his first indy booking. He came out cut a promo doing the old "I'm not a sports entertainer, now I'm allowed to say 'wrestler', I'll say 'Japan' if I want to" etc. But you could sort of tell he wasn't doing it in a bitter way. He seemed like he needed to do a "fuck WWE style promo" after his attempts at thanking WWE for employing was met with boos. From what I saw of it, he was much better than he was in WWE. I think the sacking has humbled him a bit, so his arrogance and fairytales didn't come out every 30 seconds like when he was doing PPVs regularly. He was back to the Matt Striker who we all thought was half decent in ECW. I wouldnt be surprised if TNA snaps him up. You wouldn't think it, but he looked like a proper star in his waist coat and shirt compared to the job club looking pair that was doing commentary with him. And it got even worse when Katie Lea Burchill turned up. She sounded pilled up. She cant talk worth a shit at the best of times, so why is she on the headset? For a woman who supposedly talks several languages, she cant seem to string a sentence together. She called the Van Daminator the "Van ... chair". Â The other thing was RVD and Dreamer did a late 90s style weapons brawl which was way better than anything Van Dam has done in TNA. Rob Van Dam's been on the sunbed, has dyed his light brown mop that he had in TNA to the darker brown that he had in his prime and his gut appears to have disappeared. Its almost like he didn't give a shit about TNA or someone in WWE has had a word. Or both. He moved like the RVD of old as well. And as someone that hasnt really rated him, its not saying much. I've always maintained his shitness in TNA was a mix of always being a sloppy sod and added to not caring about and not being protected by the agents like Al Snow and the other jokers they have. His matches used to always be so planned that I cant see how he cant get to the standard he used to be at in WWE. He does all the same moves he did. Give him a good road agent and he'll still do his old stunt shows. He did all his trademark spots, so he should be decent at Money in the Bank. If you liked RVD in 2006, nothing much seems to have changed since then. Dreamer was the same as ever, but the match itself was enjoyable for an indy show. Â Carlito and Morrison wrestled as well, which was pretty fun. They both looking in super shape. You think these two will be back in WWE soon. They look good enough for it. The main event was a Royal Rumble style match featuring most of the roster that had already appeared. Masters was there, Dreamer, a few indy wrestlers and the like. I was watching it casually, interested in the happenings and then STONE COLD ET came out and began eliminating people and dropping wrestlers with Stunners. I didn't know what was going on. Madness. An unexpected gem if there ever was one. Check it out. Edited June 23, 2013 by IANdrewDiceClay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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