Documentary Thread #2

[PowerButchi]

Jack Russell terrier and pretty much a microcosm of the 1980s territory wars with loads of other wrestling nods too and FRED WILLARD.

 

People who go by imdb ratings are sheep who don't know a good low budget film about a wrestling dog when they see it.

Edited July 27, 2016 by PowerButchi

[BigJag]

Bigger, Stronger, Faster looks at PED use in US sports but does have a heavy focus on wrestling as the filmmakers brother was a jobber for WWF back in the day, any others are more about Olympic wrestling rather than pro wrestling unless you want to watch RussellMadness which features Johnny Nitro against a wrestling Jack Russell.

 

If you can get onto the US Netflix I think they still have Wrestling With Shadows o there aswell a documentary about G.L.O.W (Glamourous Ladies of Wrestling

Cheers for that. I've seen those. I didn't know that they were on Netflix.

[Egg Shen]

the G.L.O.W. documentary is quality.

[wandshogun09]

Finally got around to watching that OJ: Made In America series. Well, I'm up to episode four. Watching it with my better half and she's too young to remember the case at the time (I very vaguely recall bits and pieces, mostly the footage used at WrestleMania 12 of the police chase) or even really know who OJ is/was, and she's still gripped to it. Like others have said, the 30 for 30 documentaries are great for hooking you in even if you're completely unfamiliar with the stories going in or otherwise uninterested in the sport or field the subject is covering. It's really fascinating to watch. Although some of it makes for disturbing viewing, especially the audio of Nicole Brown's calls to the police numerous times because he'd battered her.

 

Watching the first episode it really hit home just what a massive superstar celebrity he was in America. Then by episode three he's been charged with two murders and is threatening suicide while on the run from the police. Must've been absolutely surreal for American people who grew up idolising him to watch the live coverage of the chase on the news at the time.

 

Watching this and reading up on the case, I've got no doubt he did it. It's mad to think he was not only found not guilty but then still ended up back in jail for other crimes. Literally gets away with murder but gets himself locked up for years anyway. What a fucking nut.

[PowerButchi]

In Bed with Chris Needham. Early 90s cult GOLD!

 

[Professor Paul's Bin]

Watched that Cartel Land on Netflix which was worth a watch. Basically about a group of vigilantes who try to fight back the Cartel and all the corruption and divides. Really interesting. I got abit lost with the ending as I wasn't paying much attention towards the end

[Really Big Shoe]

Finally got around to watching that OJ: Made In America series. Well, I'm up to episode four. Watching it with my better half and she's too young to remember the case at the time (I very vaguely recall bits and pieces, mostly the footage used at WrestleMania 12 of the police chase) or even really know who OJ is/was, and she's still gripped to it. Like others have said, the 30 for 30 documentaries are great for hooking you in even if you're completely unfamiliar with the stories going in or otherwise uninterested in the sport or field the subject is covering. It's really fascinating to watch. Although some of it makes for disturbing viewing, especially the audio of Nicole Brown's calls to the police numerous times because he'd battered her.

Watching the first episode it really hit home just what a massive superstar celebrity he was in America. Then by episode three he's been charged with two murders and is threatening suicide while on the run from the police. Must've been absolutely surreal for American people who grew up idolising him to watch the live coverage of the chase on the news at the time.

Watching this and reading up on the case, I've got no doubt he did it. It's mad to think he was not only found not guilty but then still ended up back in jail for other crimes. Literally gets away with murder but gets himself locked up for years anyway. What a fucking nut.

I think I mentioned before that some of it is difficult to watch. The unedited footage used in the other 30 for 30 is even more so as it's like you are watching it in real time. You have news anchors talking about the case, Bob Costa's freaking out and it's just surreal. I would have to agree that OJ is guilty. You had Nicole Simpsons calls to the police, you have actual physical evidence and him threatening to shoot himself and his actions that day weren't of an innocent man. Did they play the full audio of the call to the policeman who was talking him out of shooting himself?. But him speeding off in the Bronco and him driving down the freeway was like the equivalent of him getting rushing yards so I honestly think he has CTE and his outbursts of anger, unexplainable behaviour etc are all signs of CTE too. It's ironic that hes in jail for a totally unrelated series of charges but I think they gave him more jail time than the charges usually warranted. I think one of OJs friends or legal team mentioned if he didn't have history most of those charges would have been dismissed and he'd even have a leninent sentence or a suspended one so it's like they did with AL Capone they couldnt get him for the crimes he did commit but got him for tax evasion. I think the 30 for 30 docs are great anyway but the OJ one was one of if not the best one so far. The OJ story is one which will keep being retold but as it's such a fascinating story I think there's so much still be told. I'm also won't be surprised if one day OJ does confess. Edited July 31, 2016 by Really Big Shoe

[Kaz Hayashi]

Anyone caught the Real Mr. Miyagi doc on Netflix yet? Real nice little doc following the guy who trained Pat Morita for the part.

 

Also, fascination got the better of me and I tried to watch one of the dark side of porns... yes that one. I lasted 10 mins... no, not for that reason. Good god.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Kaz Hayashi

[wandshogun09]

I think I mentioned before that some of it is difficult to watch.

I watched episode 4 tonight and it was the most disturbing one yet. Especially the bit when the one talking head (think he was one of the prosecution team) went through the details of how they thought the murders went down on the night. The way he described it was even more fucking horrific than I thought it would be and it didn't help that while he was going into all the gory details, pictures of the dead bodies were shown. The one in particular of Nicole Brown was awful, and you could see by her neck where he'd basically halfway cut her head off.

 

It's a shame the trial became all about race because it really seemed to cloud everything and distract from the real issue. I really felt for Ron Goldman's dad in the footage of him talking about it outside the court. The victims became an afterthought once it became a white vs black issue and from then on it was the defence vs Mark Fuhrman.

 

And the glove thing was nuts. "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."

[bAzTNM#1]

Also, fascination got the better of me and I tried to watch one of the dark side of porns... yes that one. I lasted 10 mins... no, not for that reason. Good god.

 

Was that the one that was on Channel Four? I didn't see them all. I was sure I saw one about Max Hardcore I didn't like at all. "Story of the Real Animal Farm", "Hunting Emmanuelle" and "Debbie Does Dallas Story" I found quite interesting. All on Youtube

Edited August 1, 2016 by bAzTNM#1

[Really Big Shoe]

 

I think I mentioned before that some of it is difficult to watch.

I watched episode 4 tonight and it was the most disturbing one yet. Especially the bit when the one talking head (think he was one of the prosecution team) went through the details of how they thought the murders went down on the night. The way he described it was even more fucking horrific than I thought it would be and it didn't help that while he was going into all the gory details, pictures of the dead bodies were shown. The one in particular of Nicole Brown was awful, and you could see by her neck where he'd basically halfway cut her head off.

It's a shame the trial became all about race because it really seemed to cloud everything and distract from the real issue. I really felt for Ron Goldman's dad in the footage of him talking about it outside the court. The victims became an afterthought once it became a white vs black issue and from then on it was the defence vs Mark Fuhrman.

And the glove thing was nuts. "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."

It is gruesome and as viewers we could have done without seeing the photos and hearing how they believe Nicole and Ron were murdered. I mean if OJ wasn't OJ he'd be in jail for double homicide. Because of his celebrity and Johnny Cochran using the Black vs White angle and because of his whole persona it kind of sweet talked the jury to acquit OJ. But yep the whole glove thing, that must be the most mind boggling way to get off from murder. I also felt very sorry for Nicole's family and Ron's. They both deserve real justice. But I imagine if he did get retrialed he'd be like Jimmy Snuka and say he's not capable of trial. Although from the first part where they question him about his life in jail in the court the topic somehow goes back to the murders and his demenaor changes rapidly and he becomes stand offish, angry too. From there it shows that he isn't innocent. I mean who else could have murdered Nicole and Ron? Unless he had a hit put on them both but that seems highly unlikely and that would lead back to him anyway. His history of domestic abuse and strange behaviour should have been the smoking gun in the case but like you say it was all about race. But if OJ was a white guy would that have changed things? I think the LAPD feared another riot after what happened with Rodney King. But really how ever big a OJ fan that folks could have been all the evidence points to him being guilty.its unfathomable to think he was acquitted. I do think at one point they'll revisit the case and OJ will have to stand trial again. The Familys of Ron and Nicole should push for a retrial. This time I think if the jury are fully told the back story and maybe they should play the ESPN doc in the court room I can't see beyond a unanimous vote for guilty. But again Johnny Cochran played the race card and OJs celebrity and public persona as a good guy won out. Yet behind the persona he was cold blooded. I do think he has CTE as there's a number of former NFL players with it who have committed suicide. I mean you have Ray Lewis the former Baltimore Raven player who was involved in a murder trial too. Lewis testified instead of being indicted but the white suit he wore hasn't been found. No one was found guilty for that murder as no DNA was found on the murder weapon. So that's another example. I mean Ray might be innocent and covered up for one of his friends whom he testified against. But again with the amount of hits to the head they recieve I believe there are many NFL players with CTE. A high number have been diagnosed with ALS too so whilst OJs behaviour can never be condoned I actually think he snapped and lost his mind like Chris Benoit and him realizing his actions caused him to act erratic and both cases are eerily similar in a way. Maybe post mortem they'll diagnose OJ for CTE but it's really on the NFL to provide adequate protection for the players. Those who were said to have been punch drunk were no doubt exhibiting symptoms of CTE also. So it's something I believe if there is a retrial his defense team will push the CTE angle for another acquittal verdict or it be like Snuka were he won't even go to trial.

 

edit: The other OJ related 30 for 30 is called June 17th, 1994. Can't remember watching this at the time but BBC did a OJ doc too

 

 

 A few more OJ related docs

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUuaRqjNMF8

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vseh2gbRt5E

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kgdl7H80kY

 

 

Edited August 1, 2016 by Really Big Shoe

[dopper]

I watched and enjoyed the ESPN 30 for 30: June 17th 1994, which focused on OJ Simpson going on the run, Arnold Palmer retiring, New York Rangers winning the Stanley Cup, and other sporting events on that day.

 

I'd like to learn more about the whole OJ Simpson murders & trial etc.

Can anyone recommend any other documentaries or books about that subject?

 

Just over one year later, I'm loving these new links.

 

Cheers. 

[wandshogun09]

Yeah, thanks for those other links Shoe.

 

A high number have been diagnosed with ALS too so whilst OJs behaviour can never be condoned I actually think he snapped and lost his mind like Chris Benoit and him realizing his actions caused him to act erratic and both cases are eerily similar in a way.

I'm not sure if Made In America covered this as I've still got episode 5 to watch yet but I wonder if the thing that possibly triggered the murders was OJ's girlfriend at the time, Paula Barbieri, had left him a long message on his answer machine the morning of the murders, breaking up with him. She'd been with him at a fund raiser the night before so something must've happened that night to result in her dumping him the next morning. Maybe that was the last straw and he started winding himself up about Nicole moving on and seeing other men and that was it. Fucking lunatic.

 

What seems to be forgotten a lot of the time as well is they had a son and daughter who've had to grow up knowing their mum was murdered and most of the world thinks their dad did it. Beyond fucked up.

[Really Big Shoe]

Yeah, thanks for those other links Shoe.

 

A high number have been diagnosed with ALS too so whilst OJs behaviour can never be condoned I actually think he snapped and lost his mind like Chris Benoit and him realizing his actions caused him to act erratic and both cases are eerily similar in a way.

I'm not sure if Made In America covered this as I've still got episode 5 to watch yet but I wonder if the thing that possibly triggered the murders was OJ's girlfriend at the time, Paula Barbieri, had left him a long message on his answer machine the morning of the murders, breaking up with him. She'd been with him at a fund raiser the night before so something must've happened that night to result in her dumping him the next morning. Maybe that was the last straw and he started winding himself up about Nicole moving on and seeing other men and that was it. Fucking lunatic.

 

What seems to be forgotten a lot of the time as well is they had a son and daughter who've had to grow up knowing their mum was murdered and most of the world thinks their dad did it. Beyond fucked up.

 

No worries. I don't think they looked into the CTE angle, it's more my own assumption when reading/hearing about other NFL players who were diagnosed with it. How OJ acted so irrationally and had outbursts of anger, mood swings etc. For example another NFL player former Pittsburgh Steeler Justin Strzelcyzk who had a high speed car chase with the police and died in a car accident. Post mortem study of his brain showed that he had CTE and in an article where his ex-wife spoke about how he acted, it was again very similar to OJ. He wasn't physically threatening or abuse to her, but she feared he could be. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ex-wife-player-who-had-cte-nobody-said-death-was-option

 

I also agree OJ splitting up with his girlfriend of the time was like a huge trigger for him to go off on one. I'm not sure what episode of Made in America it's in but one says that he followed Nicole & Ron around and watched them which was very creepy. So I think with his relationship breaking down and his ex wife with another man those both were massive factors in him snapping. I don't know if he intentionally set out to murder Ron & Nicole, because if he was hell bent on revenge he'd have targeted his then ex-girlfriend. Because in theory he should have moved on with his life and Nicole would still be the mother of his children but he could have had a cordial relationship with her. I can't imagine what thought(s) went thru his mind and why he did what he did. I mean if he wanted to reconcile with Nicole I'm sure if he promised to change his ways and not be abusive she'd have patched things up with him for the children. But really she should have run a thousand miles away from him. I mean the LAPD had phonecalls where she's describing being attacked and you can hear OJ Simpson raging in the background. You can't help but feel sorry for their children. I wonder whether they have any contact with their father and I'm sure deep down even if they don't want to believe it that their father murdered their mother. I still don't know if it was predetermined, or pre-planned for OJ to commit a cold calculated murder. Maybe it was a spur of the moment like rage outburst which resulted in the murders. Just a horrendous situation however way you wish you look at it. But again I can't see from watching the Made in America documentaries, reading If I Did It and other things that OJ is innocent. I also wonder in his mind whether he believes he didn't do it and thats an even more worrisome possibilty. Because if he does have that thought pattern and isn't taking responsibilty for his actions and grieves for his ex-wife and feels any remorse, then he could snap at any time.

[bAzTNM#1]

It's mental people in the U.S. can just mail in and ask for murder pictures and get them. Absolutely bizarre.