Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted February 15 Paid Members Share Posted February 15 It's a very Criterion way of saying "The Razzies are fucking shit" but it's a good idea. Ishtar and The Blair Witch Project are awful though so I'm only halfway with them on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 While I'm not completely aboard the "Showgirls is a masterpiece" train there was almost definitely a coordinated hit against it and the NC-17 rating becoming mainstream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 As we all know, the Oscars are bollocks*, but I found this an interesting read. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/feb/16/its-a-vintage-year-for-the-oscars-but-what-was-the-strongest-year-in-cinema-history Nice to see some different years and films mentioned as well, and 91 definitely has a strong case. *And as if this needed clarifying, I was looking something up and saw The Godfather Part III was nominated for Best Picture. Says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 22 hours ago, Merzbow said: While I'm not completely aboard the "Showgirls is a masterpiece" train there was almost definitely a coordinated hit against it and the NC-17 rating becoming mainstream. I thought it was done a huge disservice at the time, and championed it, but rewatching it last year it hasn't aged well. Still a misunderstood film, still hugely subversive as with all Verhoeven, but the terrible acting is hard to overlook even if you're in on the joke. By contrast, Starship Troopers and Hollow Man are still brilliant. As well as everything else, Verhoeven is one of the best directors at directing CGI and effects, knowing when to use them and how to blend them in with action. Blair Witch is responsible for a very shit genre of horror, but the original is still clever. Barb Wire I personally love, the idea of a gender-swap sci-fi Casablanca with Pamela Anderson starring is amazing to see and everyone is working really hard in the film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 11 minutes ago, Loki said: Blair Witch is responsible for a very shit genre of horror, but the original is still clever. It's also the first time I was really aware of just how big of a deal marketing could be, and the impact it could have on a film. I watched the Blair Witch on a pirate video copy with the title scrawled on the label in pen. I mean, you cannot get more of an experience of it than that. It completely added to the mystery of it, and reading some features around the time, you really couldn't tell what was real and what wasn't (at least to my 14yo mark brain) I thought it was a decent film, but have really no desire to rewatch it ever. Agreed on Starship Troopers. I love that film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted February 16 Paid Members Share Posted February 16 Starship Troopers is so good. It manages to be a fucking kickass war film while also brilliantly parodying kickass war films at the same time. Genius. There's lots of great fascism stuff throughout the film such as Neil Patrick Harris turning up in an SS uniform or that the aliens initial attack on Earth is actually in self defence, but my favourite small touch is that the small town perfect white American teenagers all live in Buenos Aries, Argentina. Brilliant world building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bellenda Carlisle Posted February 16 Paid Members Share Posted February 16 Yes please, see you in the sports films thread when this comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 17 minutes ago, Bellenda Carlisle said: Yes please, see you in the sports films thread when this comes out. Chloe Grace Moretz as a fighter. Those bastards have done it. They've found a way to get me to watch a film about MMA. Fair play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, LaGoosh said: the aliens initial attack on Earth is actually in self defence On my last rewatch, it occurs to me that there's really no evidence that the aliens attacked Earth at all outside the propaganda videos. It's quite possible it's a staged attack to get public opinion behind annexing all the aliens' territory. The only aggression we ever see from the bugs is defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, LaGoosh said: Starship Troopers is so good. It manages to be a fucking kickass war film while also brilliantly parodying kickass war films at the same time. Genius. There's lots of great fascism stuff throughout the film such as Neil Patrick Harris turning up in an SS uniform or that the aliens initial attack on Earth is actually in self defence, but my favourite small touch is that the small town perfect white American teenagers all live in Buenos Aries, Argentina. Brilliant world building. I remember in Empire (I was a subscriber wanker) they interviewed one of the female leads, can’t remember which one, and asked if they all knew how the were sending up US Foreign Policy and if Verhoeven had anyone in mind. They answered they didn’t think it was an attack on foreign policy and was a coming of age thing. “So that was a no then” Amazingly I hadn’t picked up on the Buenos Aries nod. That’s brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gmoney Posted February 16 Paid Members Share Posted February 16 On 2/15/2024 at 12:57 PM, Devon Malcolm said: It's a very Criterion way of saying "The Razzies are fucking shit" but it's a good idea. The Razzies really are appalling. I watched Mommy Dearest a few years ago (which I loved, incidentally) and clocked that they'd nominated one of the child actors for the worst supporting actress awards. I understand the idea of pricking the pomposity of Hollywood or whatever they pretend they're doing, but that struck me as particularly cruel to nominate a child. AND SHE WAS BLOODY GOOD ANYWAY. Cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted February 16 Paid Members Share Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, gmoney said: The Razzies really are appalling. I watched Mommy Dearest a few years ago (which I loved, incidentally) and clocked that they'd nominated one of the child actors for the worst supporting actress awards. I understand the idea of pricking the pomposity of Hollywood or whatever they pretend they're doing, but that struck me as particularly cruel to nominate a child. AND SHE WAS BLOODY GOOD ANYWAY. Cunts. They've done this a bunch of times. They nominated Ryan Kiera Armstrong for Firestarter a couple of years ago and everyone called them out on it so they don't nominate under 18 actors anymore. Which is good, but they should go one better and just not exist at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I thought the point of the Razzies was less "this is/you are shit" and more "c'mon, you're better than this"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gmoney Posted February 16 Paid Members Share Posted February 16 7 minutes ago, wordsfromlee said: I thought the point of the Razzies was less "this is/you are shit" and more "c'mon, you're better than this"? I don't know how you square that with nominating child actors and up and coming actors getting their break, which they do pretty frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted February 16 Paid Members Share Posted February 16 8 minutes ago, wordsfromlee said: I thought the point of the Razzies was less "this is/you are shit" and more "c'mon, you're better than this"? Considering how often Uwe Boll has been nominated, that's obviously not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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