LCJ Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I really hope that people remember all of the shit that we’re going through when we have a General Election in what I’m guessing will be four years time. Problem is, I think a lot of people’s attitude is as long as they’re not struggling themselves or homeless on the streets, then they’re alright Jack. If we somehow manage to get some kind of normal life back after most people have been vaccinated, then BoJo will act like some kind of hero who saved the country (and a lot of people will fall for it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said: It's such a weird thing to do to use the term 'playing politics' as a pejorative when his job is 'politician'. But it seems to be a go to phrase for Mogg. It’s part of them dictating narrative and it’s straight from the Bannon playbook. As @neilpoints out, it setting up stall to show how politics and politicians aren’t your friends and hinder you, but we aren’t like that, we are the anti politics. 1 minute ago, LCJ said: I really hope that people remember all of the shit that we’re going through when we have a General Election in what I’m guessing will be four years time. Problem is, I think a lot of people’s attitude is as long as they’re not struggling themselves or homeless on the streets, then they’re alright Jack. If we somehow manage to get some kind of normal life back after most people have been vaccinated, then BoJo will act like some kind of hero who saved the country (and a lot of people will fall for it). Again with the narrative he’s already trying to make out Starmer wants to cancel Christmas (which fits in with cancel culture bollocks they peddle) where as Johnson will deliver Christmas and deliver Brexit, then he’ll probably resign in a few months. What gets me is this thought that the wankers have been in office for over a decade but because it’s a different leader, people don’t associate the current shit show with Cameron or May as if they were a different party. And they’ll do it again because the country is full of racist cunts who want to be a minority without all of the obstacles that minorities have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted December 17, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 17, 2020 Yeah, he'll "get Brexit done" then leave somebody else to pick up the pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallicks Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, RedRooster said: In Rees-Mogg's defence, what is £25k going to do? Buy one ballotine of foie gras? He wouldn't go for the cheap stuff. Quote The families in Southwark, south London, will receive 18,000 breakfasts which will be distributed by schools for two weeks when they break up. The programme will also provide 6,750 breakfasts to families over the February half-term break. Edited December 17, 2020 by hallicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted December 17, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: It’s part of them dictating narrative and it’s straight from the Bannon playbook. As @neilpoints out, it setting up stall to show how politics and politicians aren’t your friends and hinder you, but we aren’t like that, we are the anti politics. It's something I really don't understand about the left's or the purported centre's response in both this country and the US, that they haven't challenged this narrative effectively, or even at all. Donald Trump is as establishment as they come - he's just not of the political wing of the establishment. But nobody with any volume is saying this. BJ? It's even more clear-cut. He's a mainstream politician, he's come up through Eton & Oxford, and through those institutions' most nepotistic and cronyistic fast-track networks. And, again: nobody seems to have challenged him on this. Or Farage, who went to fucking Dulwich College, yet idiots laud as an "everyman" because he has his pic taken while drinking a pint of beer in a pub. 2 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: What gets me is this thought that the wankers have been in office for over a decade but because it’s a different leader, people don’t associate the current shit show with Cameron or May as if they were a different party. And they’ll do it again because the country is full of racist cunts who want to be a minority without all of the obstacles that minorities have. Yup. We've all said it: this country is, sadly, majority right-wing, and its electorate will look for any excuse to vote the right-wing into power despite any kind of scandal or disgrace attached to it. Not just this government: we saw it with the last Tory run. Thatcher was on the outs, the government was riddled with scandal, and all they had to do was chuck her, get Major in, and the fucking Great British Public voted them back in again for the 18 year mark. Since Labour became a governmental party, the Tories have had twice the number of PMs, and roughly twice the years in office - around 60 years to Labour's 30. I've no illusions about Labour being any great shakes when it came to left-wing politics (a lot of their history is littered with rank betrayal), but it's pretty telling how much this country favours the right over the extant left. As to the "wanting to be a minority" thing - again, yup. Trevor Noah nailed it about Trump, but it applies just as much here. They're offering these people victimhood, and then offering to relieve them of it. When you tumble to the realisation that the far right is engaging in cult recruitment tactics, the reason why we see such cult-like behaviour from supporters of Trump and the Brexit right-wing makes a whole load of sense. They're basically stimulating people's sense of alienation and marginalisation (which was, in fairness, exacerbated by the Democrats' and New Labour's continual neglect of them), and then offering them the usual "solution", i.e. being nasty to foreigners, ethnic minorities, immigrants, gays, the disabled, etc., with such brazen confidence and conviction that they're able to convince their audience that it's a real answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCJ Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Carbomb said: Since Labour became a governmental party, the Tories have had twice the number of PMs, and roughly twice the years in office - around 60 years to Labour's 30. I've no illusions about Labour being any great shakes when it came to left-wing politics (a lot of their history is littered with rank betrayal), but it's pretty telling how much this country favours the right over the extant left. Very true. Labour have seemingly been at each other’s throats during the last decade. Labour seem to be going down the centrist route again since Starmer became leader but if I’m honest, I think it’s probably the only way Labour stand a chance of being elected. This country rejects socialism at the polls every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I'm of the belief that most people don't even really know where they stand politically. Wasn't there actually a poll done where people supported a bunch of policies only do do a complete 180 once they were told that they were Labour policies? Or have I imagined that? Labour are fucking shit at actually challenging right wing narratives though . Only time I remember "Red" Ed showing any backbone was when the press had a go at his dead father. Corbyn was basically bogged down by years of party infighting and Starmer seems to be banking on getting in off the back of the cunts being cunts while also trying to put a stop to party infighting. Problem is the cunts have been cunts for pretty much their entire existence and still get voted in. Cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted December 17, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 17, 2020 @The King Of Swing Gyles Brandreth did a feature on the One Show where he asked people in a deeply Tory constituency whether they'd agree with items from one of Corbyn's Labour manifestos, and they agreed with all of them until they were told whose policies they actually were, at which point they were mortified. Politics always feels like its more about personalities rather than policies, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted December 17, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, johnnyboy said: Quick, Andy Burnham’s coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Blog Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: Quick, Andy Burnham’s coming To answer the question in the tweet, because he is a cunt. Fucking Gepetto did something when he carved that little wooden cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCJ Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, jazzygeofferz said: @The King Of Swing Gyles Brandreth did a feature on the One Show where he asked people in a deeply Tory constituency whether they'd agree with items from one of Corbyn's Labour manifestos, and they agreed with all of them until they were told whose policies they actually were, at which point they were mortified. Politics always feels like its more about personalities rather than policies, unfortunately. I also think a lot of people treat politics like a football team. “I vote Conservative because my dad did and so did his dad. They’d have been disgusted if I voted for anyone else”, etc... Granted, I think parenting can shape people’s political views whilst being brought up but there is a lot of loyalty to political parties regardless of who’s in charge at the time and what the policies are. Edited December 18, 2020 by LCJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted December 18, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 18, 2020 Yeah, lots of tribalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BigJag Posted December 18, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 18, 2020 Why does tribalism have such a hold on people? It goes against rational thought. My family has always voted Labour. However once I learnt a bit about Keith Vaz. There was very little chance that I could in good conscience vote for him. It should be a requirement for these political parties to be clear and honest about what they stand for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted December 18, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 18, 2020 39 minutes ago, BigJag said: Why does tribalism have such a hold on people? It goes against rational thought. Proving once again that voting Tory goes against rational thought. But people listen to who to vote for rather then actually looking into what they are voting for. Axe and the trees come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted December 18, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, BigJag said: Why does tribalism have such a hold on people? It goes against rational thought. My family has always voted Labour. However once I learnt a bit about Keith Vaz. There was very little chance that I could in good conscience vote for him. It should be a requirement for these political parties to be clear and honest about what they stand for. It wouldn't matter in our "personalities over policies" society. That's how they stick shitty cartoon characters like De Pfeffel in front of the cameras so the people all go "oh, he's so funny, how could he possibly be a massive cunt?" and vote for policies which lead to the UN declaring a humanitarian crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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