Paid Members Dead Mike Posted March 3, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: More importantly, it’ll look like she was biased to voters though. To the Johnson cult, it shows that he was stitched up by establishment Kier and they’ll play on that The Johnson cult aren't going to be swing voters and are dwindling. Give it a few years and nobody will admit to ever endorsing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted March 3, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 3, 2023 Typical Starmer though isn't it. The press is full of stories about what cunts the Tories are, so the best thing to do isn't to keep quiet and let them tear themselves apart. No what you do is announce Sue Gray as your new COS and let all the stories be about that. Genius Kier, well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: The Johnson cult aren't going to be swing voters and are dwindling. Give it a few years and nobody will admit to ever endorsing him. Like how Starmer and so many of his front bench endorsed the antisemitic socialism of Corbyn that they now strongly oppose. Johnson cultists aren’t swing voters, but loads of them won’t vote for anyone but him. This’ll all add fuel to the fire of getting him back. Couple it with a trouncing in local elections and it puts a huge target on Sunak. We will hear how the only way tories avoid annihilation is to get Johnson back in charge. I think even most MPs are jaded and are already planning for post parliamentary life though so will just see out their days. 30p Lee is too busy angling for a GBEEBIES job to put the work in. Edited March 3, 2023 by Keith Houchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted March 3, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: More importantly, it’ll look like she was biased to voters though. To the Johnson cult, it shows that he was stitched up by establishment Kier and they’ll play on that. Exactly. Nobody's going to remember what Tories said about her months ago, but it's plastered all over the front of the Daily Mail that it's a Labour and establishment stitch-up. It doesn't make Boris or the Tories look any worse, it makes them look like the victims of a conspiracy, and at best it makes Starmer look like an opportunistic establishment tool. I'm sure the Tories are just riding out this election cycle knowing they'll lose, but Starmer is doing his level best to reduce the margins and increase the likelihood of the Tories coming back fully empowered for the election after that. If he were a Conservative plant within the opposition, he couldn't be doing much of a better job than what he's doing right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted March 3, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) Yeah...Nadine Dorries, Rees Mogg, The Mail & The Express all screaming stitch up will convince the masses. These nutters are so out of favour with the electorate the more they oppose something the more it seems like a good idea. It feels like the last days of Major right now. Mad that after announcing intentions to re-nationalise the railway, create a state owned energy company, impose windfall taxes on existing energy profits, repeal Tory anti-strike/worker legislation, ban fire & rehire practices and force companies to invest in local workforce/apprenticeships we're still seeing 'Starmer is a Tory'? Then again, I suppose it's no different to the 'Boris is doing a good job' crowd. Edited March 3, 2023 by Dead Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: Yeah...Nadine Dorries, Rees Mogg, The Mail & The Express all screaming stitch up will convince the masses. They’re the same ones who convinced the electorate that Corbyn was a terrorist sympathiser and Johnson was the best man for the PM job. I’d say that lot hold a lot of sway. 27 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: Mad that after announcing intentions to re-nationalise the railway, create a state owned energy company, impose windfall taxes on existing energy profits, repeal Tory anti-strike/worker legislation, ban fire & rehire practices and force companies to invest in local workforce/apprenticeships we're still seeing 'Starmer is a Tory'? He said he’s renationalising the railway? A state owned energy company isn’t a state owned supplier though, it’s just another company beholden to suppliers. It’s a step in the right direction though in my opinion. Given Starmers record with sticking to pledges though, surely you can see why people don’t believe he will stick to these pledges/missions/commitments. The man is a demonstrable liar and opportunist and I don’t trust him. Millions of others don’t either. I honestly believe there are people within Labour who would be happy with Labour selling off / privatising the NHS, because Labour did it and they’ll support their team no matter what because we got the tories out! I suppose they’re no different to the ‘Boris is doing a good job’ crowd either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gmoney Posted March 3, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: They’re the same ones who convinced the electorate that Corbyn was a terrorist sympathiser and Johnson was the best man for the PM job. I’d say that lot hold a lot of sway. No just them though, if it was just them it wouldn't have taken hold. It was also Labour backbenchers, and the press. That won't happen here, for obvious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, gmoney said: and the press The Mail and the Express were cited, but you’re right, it certainly wasn’t limited to just them! Johnson is to give evidence to the privileges committee week beginning 20th March. The committee have said evidence suggests it was obvious he knew gatherings were taking place. He’s already said it’s “Surreal” and “Particularly concerning” that they’ll be relying on evidence from Sue Gray. 7D chess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted March 3, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Keith Houchen said: Johnson is to give evidence to the privileges committee week beginning 20th March. The committee have said evidence suggests it was obvious he knew gatherings were taking place. He’s already said it’s “Surreal” and “Particularly concerning” that they’ll be relying on evidence from Sue Gray. The privileges committee have already said they won't be using the Sue Gray report and that they have their own evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, Lion_of_the_Midlands said: The privileges committee have already said they won't be using the Sue Gray report and that they have their own evidence. You mean he’s lying? Shurely shome mishtake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 hours ago, BomberPat said: If he were a Conservative plant within the opposition, he couldn't be doing much of a better job than what he's doing right now. Well, if he WERE he'd be doing a terrible job as Labour is 20 points ahead in the polls. I agree this Sue Gray thing is a blunder though. I realise Starmer's not popular on here but if he can maintain this sort of polling lead and destroy the Tories at the next election he'll have done us all an enormous favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, Loki said: Well, if he WERE he'd be doing a terrible job as Labour is 20 points ahead in the polls. I agree this Sue Gray thing is a blunder though. I realise Starmer's not popular on here but if he can maintain this sort of polling lead and destroy the Tories at the next election he'll have done us all an enormous favour. To be fair, how much of that will be down to Starmer? I’d say It’s down to the tories being so utterly shit and people copping on they were lied to over Brexit and other things. Ash Sarkar wrote this regarding Mr Rules. You’ll remember Gray from last year, when she led the inquiry into potential breaches of lockdown law in No 10. Though it wasn’t Partygate that actually delivered the coup-de-grace to Boris Johnson (alas, Chris Pincher, we hardly knew ye) the wall-to-wall coverage of birthday cakes, piss-ups and ABBA parties were really the beginning of the end for the Big Dog. Gray, as a civil servant, was widely viewed as an impartial agent who could be trusted with such a politically explosive investigation.But now, having quit with immediate effect in order to join forces with Starmer as his chief of staff, that impartiality is being called into question. Indeed, according to civil service rules, senior figures must wait between three months and two years before taking up outside roles. It’s basically unheard of for a serving department head in the civil service to take up a senior political role, and according to POLITICO, there will be a good old gander at the circumstances which led up to her investigation.If the usually toothless ACOBA (the ministerial and civil service watchdog) puts on some big boy pants and blocks Gray’s move, she could be left in the invidious position of having torpedoed her reputation for no reason. It would be the kiss of death for her civil service career.While the huffing and puffing from Conservatives about Gray’s appointment demonstrating that she was a Labour plant all along should be taken with a hefty pinch of salt, the move from top civil servant to party apparatchik does imperil the perceived neutrality of the civil service. If it had been the other way around, and Rishi Sunak had poached Gray for a top job in No 10, it’s hard to imagine that Starmer and co. would be anything other than hopping mad.To turn a blind eye to the rules when it’s politically convenient isn’t exactly new in Westminster, but it does take a sledgehammer to Starmer’s Mr Rules persona.So let’s talk about the return of the prodigal TIGgers. Luciana Berger, the former Wavertree MP, announced that she had rejoined the Labour party and wouldn’t rule out a return to the Commons. It then emerged that Angela Smith, the ex-member for Penistone and Stocksbridge, had revived her Labour membership late last year, after getting a special dispensation from David Evans, the party’s general secretary. If you remember the furore about Salma Yaqoob applying to run as a Labour candidate for the West Midlands mayoralty, the sticky point here is that individuals who’ve campaigned against Labour candidates in elections aren’t supposed to be eligible for membership. But in the case of ChUK alumni, Starmer’s team have chosen to waive that particular rule, judging that there’s more to gain from winning back the endorsement of those who left under Corbyn than there is in upholding the party rulebook.But it’s not just sticklers for the standing orders who might have something to say about the TIG contingent being welcomed back to the party with open arms. The issue of racism runs right through it. Berger had cited antisemitism in Labour as her reason for leaving the party, with the spectre of deselection being perceived by the press as a form of racist harassment in itself (though it must be said that the motions of no-confidence submitted, and then withdrawn, by local party members had cited her attacks on Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership). Starmer’s ruthless purging of the left, including leftwing Jewish members, and removing the whip from Corbyn, seems to have reassured Berger that it’s safe to come back. Indeed, he has promised that “there will zero [sic] tolerance of antisemitism, of racism, of discrimination of any kind” in Labour while he remains in charge. This position, however, is impossible to square with the readmission of Angela Smith to the Labour party membership.On the very first day of TIG/ChUK’s launch, Angela Smith made a racist comment on national television. On BBC’s Politics Live, she gestured towards me and referred to BME people as having a “funny tinge.” After coming under intense criticism, Smith apologised for having “misspoke so badly.” Personally, I’m in favour of people being given second chances. But that’s not the standard that Starmer has said would be applied when it comes to matters of racism in Labour – and indeed, that’s not what’s happening when leftwing members are accused of antisemitism, or being affiliated with proscribed organisations, on even the flimsiest pretexts.Readmitting Angela ‘funny tinge’ Smith to the Labour fold isn’t merely an act of galling hypocrisy: it’s a statement that Starmer’s Labour think that racism against people of colour simply isn’t as important as antisemitism. And with political journalists failing to ask even a single question about whether Smith’s membership is compatible with a “zero tolerance” stance, Labour’s hierarchy of racism is effectively being aided and abetted by the nation’s press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted March 3, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 3, 2023 This cunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Surf Digby Posted March 4, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 4, 2023 In fairness, Rees-Mogg is a bit of an expert when it comes to bizarre behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted March 4, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) Some more top notch WhatsApp exchanges which shows yet more contempt for the public Edited March 4, 2023 by Hannibal Scorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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