Jambo Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I think the period at Brentford sullied his opportunity of getting a decent job, after he was viewed as not necessarily good enough in the early 90's managing Coventry and Sunderland. Barnsley offered him the chance to succeed Keith Hill but he rightly turn it down, Barnsley is a poisoned chalice. It seems to me that Butcher gets it in Scotland in a way that he doesn't get it anywhere else. Â I'd say he's largely changed his philosophy too, he's finding success with young, hungry players, who have proven ability. Of which he's done a great job finding and bringing the best out of them. Â He never got much of a chance down in Australia or at Brentford where the fans were against him from day 1, what with their feelings towards their old manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Maverick Posted November 4, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted November 4, 2013 Perhaps he struggles with expectation as I think Brentford were expected to challenge in League Two during his time there and after he left Andy Scott managed it fairly easily. Butcher's strength seems to be managing the smaller Scottish sides and getting them organised and playing well on a small budget. Â He's been linked with a few job's this year already (Boro?) and I would imagine he'd have got something top end of League One if he held out. Just seems a strange move to me at his age unless he thinks Hibs have potential to do something or he thinks he'll get the Rangers job fairly soon. I don't see McCoist leaving there anytime soon though unless he decides he's had enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted November 4, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted November 4, 2013 Butcher's been in the management game since about 1991. He must have been at an extraordinary amount of clubs now. He's never without a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members SiMania Posted November 5, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted November 5, 2013 Butcher's been in the management game since about 1991. He must have been at an extraordinary amount of clubs now. He's never without a job. Â After he left Sunderland in 92 he never had another managers job for nearly 10 years Baz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted November 5, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted November 5, 2013 Butcher's been in the management game since about 1991. He must have been at an extraordinary amount of clubs now. He's never without a job. After he left Sunderland in 92 he never had another managers job for nearly 10 years Baz. Holy crap. You're right there. Did he do anything of note at Sunderland? Must have been shit if he didn't have a job for ages after it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Maverick Posted November 5, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted November 5, 2013 Kept them up one year and then sacked the next when they were struggling I think. Wasn't he part of Burley's staff at Ipswich for awhile too before he went to Motherwell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylin_and_Profilin Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I don't think you can under estimate the importance of Maurice Malpas in Butcher's success. I've know someone who worked under them at Motherwell who sings their praises and by all accounts it was very much the old double act with Malpas taking care of all the tactical side of things in terms of the teams shape and overseeing the majority of training leaving the motivational and man management side of things to Butcher which, undeniably, is his strength. Â I know thats not that uncommon in football nowadays - Martin O'Neill and Steve Walford / John Robertson instantly spring to mind - and i think it's vital he goes with Butcher to Hibs. Â He also has an excellent scout, name escapes me right now, who gets the plaudits for unearthing all the younger players they seem to keep picking up from the lower leagues in England who more often than not have done the business for ICT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKAC Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Steve Marsella? I think that's the one. You're right though. I think you need that strong second man beside you as well. Someone you can trust, bounce ideas off, etc. Malpas and Butcher seem to mesh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 I don't think you can under estimate the importance of Maurice Malpas in Butcher's success. I've know someone who worked under them at Motherwell who sings their praises and by all accounts it was very much the old double act with Malpas taking care of all the tactical side of things in terms of the teams shape and overseeing the majority of training leaving the motivational and man management side of things to Butcher which, undeniably, is his strength. Who the fuck told you that?!? Malpas is easily one of the worst managers we've ever had! If he was in charge of the tactics, training and team shape when Butcher was there, why did he fuck shit up so bad when he was handed the job? Â Malpas was a joke at Fir Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaaad! Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Who the fuck told you that?!? Malpas is easily one of the worst managers we've ever had! If he was in charge of the tactics, training and team shape when Butcher was there, why did he fuck shit up so bad when he was handed the job? Malpas was a joke at Fir Park. Sum of the parts is greater etc. It's an old cited example but Brian Clough and Peter Taylor had far less success when not paired together than when they were a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUM Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Who the fuck told you that?!? Malpas is easily one of the worst managers we've ever had! If he was in charge of the tactics, training and team shape when Butcher was there, why did he fuck shit up so bad when he was handed the job? Malpas was a joke at Fir Park. Sum of the parts is greater etc. It's an old cited example but Brian Clough and Peter Taylor had far less success when not paired together than when they were a team.  Look at the difference in Sunderland with John Robertson there compared to when he left as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bettencourt Posted November 9, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted November 9, 2013 Iain Brines. Fuck the fuck off you absolute fucking disgrace of a referee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSeaTiger Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 We were right behind the goal and whilst the actual penalty they got shouldn't have been, how he missed the handball on the line I'll never know. Saying that, McGinn should have buried the pen, I think the dons would have been comfy at that point. But the defence was shitty for the first 2 they lost. Not much they could do with the third. That was just a cracking goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Teedy Kay Posted November 17, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2013 Exactly how good is Ryan Gauld? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Ryan Gauld is the brightest prospect Scotland has had in a very long time. Very good technically. His low centre of gravity and the way he dribbles draws comparisons to Messi. Doesn't go to ground easy either. Hope he stays with Utd for a few more seasons. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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