Paid Members Benno Posted November 18, 2014 Paid Members Posted November 18, 2014 Disagree, one of my mates almost killed my brother doing a reverse rana when we were kids. He didn't do the reverse bit on purpose it was just a poorly executed version of the regular move, but it happened.
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted November 18, 2014 Paid Members Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) I saw a reverse frankensteiner on Lucha Underground the otherday and it looked sensational. If it looks cool, I have no problem with logic. Edited November 18, 2014 by IANdrewDiceClay
Paid Members Linus Posted November 18, 2014 Paid Members Posted November 18, 2014 What's gone wrong in your lives that you're looking for realism in professional wrestling?
Undefeated Steak Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 I saw a reverse frankensteiner on Lucha Underground the otherday and it looked sensational. If it looks cool, I have no problem with logic. What's gone wrong in your lives that you're looking for realism in professional wrestling? Agree with both of these. My gripe with the steel cage door opening is that it goes against the whole idea of having a steel cage match in the first place. You have both guys spend 10/15 minutes trying to climb over the top and then they suddenly decide to just open the door. Never understood it.
Paid Members herbie747 Posted November 18, 2014 Paid Members Posted November 18, 2014 What's gone wrong in your lives that you're looking for realism in professional wrestling? I like to suspend my disbelief - I really do. But for me, a slingshot kills it.
CavemanLynn Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) The whip always looks duff when the whipper sends the opponent off then stands where he is while the opponent bounces off the ropes (perfectly on his side despite supposedly being "out of control") and runs ten feet back to him just to get hit. Much better when the whipper follows the guy for a few steps as if trying to catch him off guard. Like most things like this, it's not what you do but how you do it. Edited November 18, 2014 by CavemanLynn
Reznor Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 My gripe with the steel cage door opening is that it goes against the whole idea of having a steel cage match in the first place. You have both guys spend 10/15 minutes trying to climb over the top and then they suddenly decide to just open the door. Never understood it. Cage match rules are pretty stupid and inconsistent at the best of times though. Winning by running away and escaping goes against the whole concept and reason for throwing two guys in cage. It's essentially a cowardly, weaselly act, only apt for heels. They should always have the option of pins/submissions imo and that's what the babyfaces should be going for. The slingshot catapult's such a classic move, an absolute staple of american wrestling that should never be consigned to history. The Mexican variant minus the turnbuckle bump with the recipient (most notably Fuerza Guerrera) just flying halfway across the ring, is great also.
WyattSheepMask Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Should a cage have a roof to be a cage? Otherwise it's a pen, but then Steel Pen Match doesn't have the same ring to it, unless you had a guy doing a bureaucrat gimmick
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted November 18, 2014 Paid Members Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) I always loved the psychology of the Bret vs Owen cage match. Probably why it was given 5 stars, even though Meltzer hates the escape rule with a passion. From the opening bell both of them wanted out of the cage, because they wanted to win. It wasnt where they were beating each other for a good 20 minutes and then went "get me out of this cage". They were diving across the ring to get out the door. I remember watching that when I was 9 with my Dad and brother and never forgetting the reaction we had. It was so different and made so much sense that they wanted out of the door as soon as possible. Edited November 18, 2014 by IANdrewDiceClay
TheShowOff Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 I was 9 too, and it was exciting to watch. It was a kind of fight race. I think that's why it doesn't hold up so much today, because the outcome is known for what is in large part a race. I can't imagine too many 100 meter sprints are exciting on a rewatch.
Paid Members Big Benny HG Posted November 18, 2014 Paid Members Posted November 18, 2014 I don't mind Irish whips, slingshots, catapults and such like. For me, wrestling isn't supposed to resemble a real fight, it's supposed to be a cartoon/OTT/theatrical/video game version of a fight.
Loki Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Like with film, fiction and so on, it's not so much about how "realistic" each element is, but whether the universe of the fiction is consistent. Irish whips always work, so they are consistent. A DDT hurts the one guy more than the other, in the same way every time. That's why the cage thing is so screwy - often cage matches make no sense even within the logic of wrestling!
King Pitcos Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Cage match rules are pretty stupid and inconsistent at the best of times though. Winning by running away and escaping goes against the whole concept and reason for throwing two guys in cage. It's essentially a cowardly, weaselly act, only apt for heels. They should always have the option of pins/submissions imo and that's what the babyfaces should be going for. That's true, but there's also the "two men enter, one man leaves" thing. In a grudge match, the babyface should want to decimate his hated enemy and leave the cage victorious, rather than trying to outclimb him.
Sphinx Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 By having the other guy's arse on your knees whilst you're standing and falling backwards, the other guy does catapult. The jump part may look silly, but the catapult itself is more plausible.
Dazzer Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 I saw a reverse frankensteiner on Lucha Underground the otherday and it looked sensational. If it looks cool, I have no problem with logic. What's gone wrong in your lives that you're looking for realism in professional wrestling? Agree with both of these. My gripe with the steel cage door opening is that it goes against the whole idea of having a steel cage match in the first place. You have both guys spend 10/15 minutes trying to climb over the top and then they suddenly decide to just open the door. Never understood it. I saw a reverse frankensteiner on Lucha Underground the otherday and it looked sensational. If it looks cool, I have no problem with logic. What's gone wrong in your lives that you're looking for realism in professional wrestling? Agree with both of these. My gripe with the steel cage door opening is that it goes against the whole idea of having a steel cage match in the first place. You have both guys spend 10/15 minutes trying to climb over the top and then they suddenly decide to just open the door. Never understood it. Surely the the fact that one of the competitors (the quickest one) wouldn't just leg it out over the top should worry you more?
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