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Butch And D-Mal's James Bond Learning Tree Thread

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It's one of the reasons I can't get into the "new" Bond movies - the timeline is an absolute state. We start with Judi Dench as M, who was introduced as the new M back in the Brosnan era, only now we see her in charge as Bond gets his first assignment. So we see how Bond becomes Bond, but then only a couple of movies later everyone talks about as if he's washed up and getting old, yet in SPECTRE, we see Blofeld get his iconic scar - so it's positioning that movie (and the preceding ones) as still being prequels. It's all over the shop.

 

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Related to that, whoever gets the role, I hope it's less about James Bond and his wacky backstory. I've definitely had my fill of James Bond and his holiday home, James Bond and his dodgy ticker, James Bond and why his Mum didn't love him. 

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On 10/5/2018 at 1:47 PM, BomberPat said:

It's one of the reasons I can't get into the "new" Bond movies - the timeline is an absolute state. We start with Judi Dench as M, who was introduced as the new M back in the Brosnan era, only now we see her in charge as Bond gets his first assignment. So we see how Bond becomes Bond, but then only a couple of movies later everyone talks about as if he's washed up and getting old, yet in SPECTRE, we see Blofeld get his iconic scar - so it's positioning that movie (and the preceding ones) as still being prequels. It's all over the shop.

 

The only thing that even starts to make sense is the idea that each Bond is a new one, and '007' is a code name: it's still a dodgy-as-shite timeline, but way more coherent than 'its the same bloke, innit'.

And the former is a much easier way of shutting down all the Daily Mail-ites who might complain about race/gender/anything...

What actually seems to be most true, is that every new Bond precedes a complete reboot of the franchise and their set of films exist in a vacuum. Again, nothing stopping them fucking with the casting at all, then.

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38 minutes ago, d-d-d-dAz said:

The only thing that even starts to make sense is the idea that each Bond is a new one, and '007' is a code name: it's still a dodgy-as-shite timÔĽŅeline, but way more coherent than 'its the same bloke, innit'.ÔĽŅ

That's the logic I had always followed, but the Daniel Craig films make it pretty explicit that it's supposed to be one character, with a defined past. 

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And yet Daniel Craig's Bond is only made a 00 agent in Casino Royale, right? Or at least it's alluded to be a recent promotion.

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7 minutes ago, Uncle Zeb said:

And yet Daniel Craig's Bond is only made a 00 agent in Casino Royale, right? Or at least it's alluded to be a recent promotion.

Yep, which is why I found Skyfall's narrative of Bond on his zimmer frame about five years later incredibly stupid. 

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I like the idea of each new Bond being a series reboot and it works with Dalton, Brosnan and to an extent Daniel Craig. You can pass off the little 50th anniversary waster eggs as fan service for the 50th anniversary, but then there's stuff like Lazenby saying  "I see what the last guy had to put up with now" in OHMSS, and then in For Your Eyes Only Roger Moore visits Tracy's grave and gets dragged into a confrontation with Blofeld.

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It would also feel more like a reboot if the supporting cast didn't remain the same. I'm thinking of Judy Dench as M for both Brosnan and Craig, but there might be other examples.

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1 hour ago, Uncle Zeb said:

It would also feel more like a reboot if the supporting cast didn't remain the same. I'm thinking of Judy Dench as M for both Brosnan and Craig, but there might be other examples.

Off the top of my head.

Desmond Llewelyn as Q for everyone up to and including Brosnan.

Lois Maxwell as Moneypenny for Connery, Lazenby, and Moore.

Bernard Lee as M for Connery and Moore.

Robert Brown was M for the later Moore films and Dalton.

David Hedison as Felix Leiter for Moore and Dalton.

There could be a few more.  There's also the fun game of those that have played mutiple roles such as Joe Don Baker playing an evil arms dealer in The Living Daylights and then he pops up as Brosnan's CIA chum.

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1 hour ago, Devon Malcolm said:

Desperate padding of non-committal fluff..  It'll follow the Casino Royale arc and could even be set before Quantum of Solace?!?  So then it's either a pre-prequel of Bond in the Navy or it's a 10 minute car ride between the end of Casino Royale and the start of Quantum of Solace.  They're absolutely hamstringing themselves with trying to arc Bond.  Have revisits to familiar characters and the odd touch like transitioning between Ms but essentially keep them as semi-standalones.

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I'm not sure modern audiences are smart enough to understand that Bond is just Bond. Everything has to be cannon now. They'll feel like they have to explain why the lead actor has changed. Really they'd be better off just changing the actor and just not referencing whether he's the old Bond or not because well either get all that endless baggage or we'll have another origin story and it'll end up like the Spiderman franchise. 

Charlie Brooker once had a group of wankers reviewing Skyfall and they complained about Bond looking at his hurt hand because it's "too obvious." Those are the kind of people who'll get all confused if the new actor doesn't have an origin story. 

I actually quite like the new ones for the most part (I'm pretending that Blofeld didn't happen like they'll surely eventually do). They're basically fan fiction shot like heritage movies. Plus it's interesting that we've gone from preposterous movies where a posh British white bloke could travel about and save the world with British engineering to more serious and 'grounded' (at times) movies about that idea. 

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