Deathmatch interest thread

[SpiritOfTheForest]

I second a return to the reviews. By far the best thing about this thread and when they're the focus, it really is an excellent thread. I'll post a small observation in an attempt to get things back on track.I re-watched the 2001 King of the Deathmatches last week. It's actually a LOT better than I remember it. It's why I always loved the IWA MS tournaments. Because they always built logically over 2 nights starting from something like a thumbtack or barbed wire baseball bat match all the way up to the finals of 200 lighttube deathmatches and it really made for excellent viewing seeing the violence get more and more intense as the show went on. I'd actually say I much prefer IWA King of the Deathmatches tournaments to CZW's Tournament of Death for that reason. Although the latter still is brilliant of course, it's just a personal preference.

[The Cum Doctor]

There can be no doubt that EVERYTHING Stormy Weathers posts is there to bait.

[Richie Freebird]

I re-watched the 2001 King of the Deathmatches last week. It's actually a LOT better than I remember it. It's why I always loved the IWA MS tournaments. Because they always built logically over 2 nights starting from something like a thumbtack or barbed wire baseball bat match all the way up to the finals of 200 lighttube deathmatches and it really made for excellent viewing seeing the violence get more and more intense as the show went on. I'd actually say I much prefer IWA King of the Deathmatches tournaments to CZW's Tournament of Death for that reason. Although the latter still is brilliant of course, it's just a personal preference.

You know what, I found that exact same thing to be the case when I reviewed that 2008 Queen of the Deathmatches tournament not long ago. During the first 2 matches I was thinking

[HarmonicGenerator]

I can't stand deathmatches and I don't think I'd ever willingly watch one, but I really enjoy Richie's reviews, he's got the tone just right, there's enough background for aficionados, but a balance like he knows that not everyone reading cares for the style, and the enthusiastic informality really shines through. They've been one of the best things about the forum this year - but I wouldn't have read them without the pictures being there as well. That sounds odd coming from someone who doesn't like the deathmatch style at all, but the pictures break up the reviews nicely, and to be honest, they're a major help in understanding what the words are describing. Keep the pictures, I say... even if I continue to skim over the goriest ones.

[LaGoosh]

Out of interest, when does a match go from being a hardcore match to a deathmatch?Because that COD6 match doesn't feature barbed-wire, glass, light tubes etc. but does feature some insane table bumps and high falls. But then all those TLC matches in WWE feature similar kind of stuff but no one would refer to that as deathmatch wrestling. Richie, have you ever seen Super Dragon vs. Kevin Steen - Guerrilla Warfare? I think you'd like it.

Edited October 30, 2012 by LaGoosh

[waters44]

Someone rescue this thread please

From what? The discussion about deathmatch wrestling?

The same old arguments from the same old people are getting very tiresome. Its turned into people posting bollocks just to get other people to post more bollocks. This thread thrives when its discussion about a recent deathmatch show and looking at reviews etc, not defending it to people who in reality couldnt care less about it anyway.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about, to be honest, but ok.This is a thread about deathmatch wrestling. People are discussing whether it's art and why it could be considered as such. I've actually found this far more interesting than looking at people with hideous injuries even though Richie's reviews are really well put together and written.There have been several great debates in this thread, actually, all of them well reasoned and intelligently debated. No-one is baiting anyone here and I don't recall this debate cropping up in this thread before. I'm interested in people's views on the scene, as I think many others here are, rather than the content of the scene, so your last simple point is completely wrong.I think what I'm basically trying to say is why don't you just come back when the nice man posts some pictures for you to look at again?

I agree that the art side of things was a better read then most of the arguments here, but even then there were people posting nonsense for whatever reason. The reason I originally posted about rescuing the thread is because it was just getting stupid. Talking about deathmatches in galleries? You think that was a serious post and worthy of further discussion?Like Richie said the whole argument for and against is futile, and after 48 pages its irrelevant to be honest. We all know each others reasoning. There are some arguments worth reading (like the art one) but they always descend into shit. This debate may have been reasoned and intelligently debated, but without out a doubt that is the exception rather then the norm. And the very first thing is this thread from Richie is -

First thing

[Snitsky's back acne]

Seeing as I have no idea how to do screen shots and the like, figured I'd just post the actual link for some death matches for those who might bit inclined to watch.

 

Showing that death matches can involve talented wrestlers and have psychology I figured I'd post a few that I have been watching recently:

 

Forget Mickie Knuckles and LuFisto, the REAL Queen of the Death Matches was Megumi Kudo.

 

Here she is in a bloody No-Ropes Barbed Wire Match vs Shinobu Kandori (part 1 excluded as mainly involves ring entrances)

 

http://youtu.be/hBAZkt2R9ew and http://youtu.be/hupw8Fu_hVM

 

...and again in a No-Ropes Barbed Wire Barricade Double Hell Death Match v Mayumi Ozaki

 

http://youtu.be/PKzj7AFZnj0 and http://youtu.be/ViZ10DICMw0

 

No-Ropes Exploding Barbed Wire Double Hell Landmines Time Bomb Death Match - Hayabusa and Masato tanaka v Mr Pogo and Terry Funk. Utterly fucking insane!

 

http://youtu.be/YU2rQpr0df0

[Devon Malcolm]

The arguments have led to a few decent posts out of hundreds, id rather just not have the arguments.

Tough shit. If you don't like it, don't read it.

[Richie Freebird]

Out of interest, when does a match go from being a hardcore match to a deathmatch?Because that COD6 match doesn't feature barbed-wire, glass, light tubes etc. but does feature some insane table bumps and high falls. But then all those TLC matches in WWE feature similar kind of stuff but no one would refer to that as deathmatch wrestling.

That

[The Cum Doctor]

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Q-1RlQ3eGeQ

 

Here it is in all it's glory.

[Stormy Weathers]

To be honest my Deathmatch is art statement was a throwaway line and yes I wouldn't mind the topic getting back on track with one of Freebirds reviewsI will say this though. If my comments have sparked a healthy debate into the existential nature of deathmatch wrestling than so be it this is a place after all where all forms of wrestling are discussed and it can only be a healthy thing And to those who say it's not art. I respectfully disagree many art experts said that GG Allin eating his own shit and masterbating on stage was art. So were those films from the 60s where art types would cut each other up and have sex with live ducks before killing them and rubbing their blood all over each other was art.Joe Coleman famously bit the heads of mice and that to was called art so I wouldn't say that it's much of stretch to say that Thumbtack Jack sticking needles through people is also a primitive form of transgressive performance artI once played a few shows with a russian maniac who's act consisted of wearing a chicken mask with his cock out while he played a plank of wood with a pick up and one string making some way noises while he ran about coming close to assaulting the audience.....was it trashy entertainment? Was it ever......Was it performance art? You bet your life Anyway whatever let's get back to blood and guts and leave the philosophical arguments or something

Edited October 30, 2012 by Stormy Weathers

[LaGoosh]

Nevermind

Edited October 30, 2012 by LaGoosh

[PowerButchi]

So were those films from the 60s where art types would cut each other up and have sex with live ducks before killing them and rubbing their blood all over each other was art.

Stuff like Bodil Joensen really isn't art. Edited October 30, 2012 by PowerButchi

[LaGoosh]

Sex with ducks?

[Stormy Weathers]

So were those films from the 60s where art types would cut each other up and have sex with live ducks before killing them and rubbing their blood all over each other was art.

Stuff like Bodil Joensen really isn't art.

Bodil wasn't really an artist neither was she a porn star in my opinion she was mentally unwell and did what she did because she was genuinely twisted enough to feel a true attraction to the animals. It's a sad and amazing case but yeah your right it wasn't art.......she was just a lost soul who figured out how to make a living out of her perversion but it was pure of vision and done for pleasure (though the art crowd did exploit her)But these duck fucking movies (and the Pig fucking movie for that matter......a hard watch) were definitely art they were made by artists who wanted to buck the system by doing outrageous things like killing and fucking animals......which I can't condone at all. But you know as much as the ham and eggers would state that it's just bollocks I would call it crass art.