Gooner Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Just now, Devon Malcolm said: If you're having a discussion about AEW and how it's run then you're the one derailing the thread because this is isn't the 'How AEW is run' thread. I'm talking about the promo Nigel done on the show and then elaborated. He did it on AEW, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted September 12 Paid Members Share Posted September 12 MxM getting deodorant on to the merch stand? God’s work.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 9 minutes ago, Supremo said: MxM getting deodorant on to the merch stand? God’s work.  I LOVE Mansoor's voice when he does this gimmick. They had a promo in ROH with Maria and she says ménage a trois and his delivery of the word 'French' kept popping into my head and cracking me up. Delightful pair they are, shame it's not a main event gimmick though. Terrible way to run a company Tony.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ReturnOfTheMack Posted September 12 Paid Members Share Posted September 12 For what it's worth, I'm more interested in Danielson vs McGuinness than vs Darby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted September 12 Paid Members Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, Gooner said: When was the last time Mcguiness stepped foot in a ring on TV? Fun? Yeah, pay him loads to have fun, great way to run a company  The last time he stepped foot in a ring was at Wembley Stadium, in front of around 50,000 people reacting so loudly that it took me reading about it on Twitter the next day to realise he had used Oasis as his entrance music, because it was completely drowned out. So they're not really going to struggle to make him look like a star. Nigel has done the work to make this match mean something. Every time he is on TV or PPV, he brings up Bryan Danielson. As a commentator, he gets more TV time, more mic time, more time to get that feud over than any wrestler. The work has been done, on Nigel's part. I'm not a big old ROH nerd, but I'm a big fan of Bryan and Nigel. If this is genuinely Bryan's retirement run, I couldn't be happier to see it happen. They're wrestlers with a ton of history together, and that's the sort of thing you want to acknowledge when you're celebrating a retiring wrestler's career. I doubt that WWE trotting out Arn Anderson for Flair's retirement ceremony, or the Godwinns for Undertaker's, made them any extra money, but they did it because it's the right thing to do. But also, what big marquee matches are there left on the table for Bryan Danielson? What should he be doing instead?  But also, most crucially, I'm not Tony Khan's accountant. I couldn't give a fuck if it makes money or not. It's a match I want to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted September 12 Paid Members Share Posted September 12 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BomberPat said: But also, what big marquee matches are there left on the table for Bryan Danielson? What should he be doing instead? I’d take a Best of Seven against Double J. But yeah; looking through the AEW roster, Bryan has wrestled almost everyone. There aren’t many matches left for him to have. After maybe a singles match with Orange Cassidy or Darby, all that’s left is however he wants go out. Scrapping with his mates Nigel, Claudio and Mox sounds good enough for me. When he’s wrestled them and is completely knackered, send Christian out there to take the belt and send him home happy. I watched the Casino Gauntlet back, just for the big pops. Hang on though. MxM and The Outrunners getting the biggest reactions, despite only ever featuring on Collision? TONY CON-MAN, YOU AND YOUR B SHOW NOBODIES WILL PAY FOR YOUR SINS. Edited September 12 by Supremo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digforvictory Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) Plus in the last year they've had Danielson in dream matches against ZSJ and Okada and Ospreay and win the world title in the main event of the biggest show of the year. And that's just the really big matches, he's also faced the likes of Eddie Kingston and Shingo on PPV, had the incredible strap match with Ricky Starks, he's faced Hangman and PAC and Satnam Singh (!) on TV. He was in the brilliant Continental Classic. Let's not pretend he's just been pissing about for the last year, I'm sure he's had tons of fun doing it but he's not just been wrestling jobbers and nobodies. He's been booked against most of the big names. I never watched ROH from back then, my only real knowledge of McGuinness as a wrestler are his mostly underwhelming TNA run and his appearance at All In. I'm looking forward to the match though as a payoff to the year plus of them teasing it.  Edited September 12 by digforvictory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted Friday at 04:52 AM Paid Members Share Posted Friday at 04:52 AM 9 hours ago, Gooner said: why would I even bother. I don't know why you would bother. You don't have to. You don't have to like every aspect of every wrestling show that ever happens. You can just relax and skip it. It's only one match on one episode of Dynamite. Not really worth all the aggro it seems to be causing you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTwoster Posted Friday at 06:47 AM Share Posted Friday at 06:47 AM (edited) 10 hours ago, Gooner said: realise more and more on the wrestling side of things you can't have a discussion or opinion unless agreeing with the majority. That’s definitely not true. Look in the All Out thread - there’s a healthy discussion on some of the spots that took place. In the case of this match, as @LaGoosh said, it’s one match on one episode of Dynamite - it’s hardly an extended feud. I’d also ask the question again - during this run, what matches have we not got from Danielson that we should have? And I’d point to retirement runs in WWE - Ric Flair’s last matches included a tag match against Shelton Benjamin and Elijah Burke, and a 4-on-2 against Zack Ryder, Curt Hawkins, Chavo Guerrero and Edge. Hardly blockbuster stuff. There’s room for a variety of matches in runs like this - but ultimately, we don’t know when Danielson is retiring and this is the end of his full-time career, not his career as a whole. So even after it’s done he’ll still have matches. And it’s not like this is his retirement match. It’s not Kurt Angle facing Baron Corbin (though facing McGuinness is leagues above that). You’re just, for some reason, choosing to die on a hill that wasn’t worth climbing in the first place. Edited Friday at 06:50 AM by RedTwoster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted Friday at 08:01 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 08:01 AM Bring back ratings chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted Friday at 08:19 AM Paid Members Share Posted Friday at 08:19 AM Nigel’s retirement documentary seems relevant now. It’s a bit cloying and mawkish, but the sentiment remains. Lad had to retire in a shitty sports hall when the monopoly meant there was nothing else for him. I can’t remember the story exactly, but wasn’t it the case that both Nigel and Bryan had WWE tryouts at the same time, and Nigel was honest about his injuries coming of ROH, but Bryan wasn’t, and the rest is history? This is one of those cases where the big picture is far more important. The announcement of the match might have been awkward and a bit shit, but it’s still just really nice that he got that Wembley moment and is now getting this, too. I’ll take a few crappy plot holes if it means nice stuff can happen in my pro-wrestling. It’s interesting watching the documentary back with modern eyes. Nigel’s super passionate about people not blading anymore, since that caused him to contract hepatitis B. I wonder how he feels watching everyone piss blood in AEW. Hangman drinking blood doesn’t seem such a laugh when you think about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted Friday at 08:29 AM Paid Members Share Posted Friday at 08:29 AM 8 minutes ago, Supremo said:  It’s interesting watching the documentary back with modern eyes. Nigel’s super passionate about people not blading anymore, since that caused him to contract hepatitis B. I wonder how he feels watching everyone piss blood in AEW. Hangman drinking blood doesn’t seem such a laugh when you think about it! This is a good interview (Pre All In) where he covers a lot of topics (including the WWE tryout) but I have hopefully clipped the bit about Hep B and how he feels about blood in wrestling. Or TLDW, not really a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Gus Mears Posted Friday at 08:41 AM Paid Members Share Posted Friday at 08:41 AM I think we're all forgetting the best moment of Nigel's career when he was Desmond Wolf in TNA and they gave him the catchphrase 'BECAUSE I'M HUNGRY LIKE THE WOLF.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SuperBacon Posted Friday at 09:13 AM Members Share Posted Friday at 09:13 AM 1 hour ago, DavidB6937 said: Bring back ratings chat. Let's not get silly now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted Friday at 09:22 AM Share Posted Friday at 09:22 AM (edited) I don't really understand the criticism of this from the angle of 'TK shouldn't just be letting these guys do what they want'. Yes, it was scruffy and illogical, but AEW is at its best when it feels like a love letter to wrestling written by the wrestlers themselves. That will inevitably lead to some awful, self-indulgent misfires (especially when the wrestler in question lacks self awareness or control), but it will also lead to the massive highs that have kept AEW a unique, distinctive competitor to other wrestling companies, and not just part of the WWE-led blob. If Danielson and McGuinness want it, and for whatever reason this was the best way of getting it, let's have it. Lovely stuff. I suspect Supremo is probably right and Danielson's clock is ticking quicker than they'd anticipated and they're having to rush to get their stuff in. I like Moxley, but I hope he's not the guy to dethrone Danielson. Now that Danielson has crossed the rubicon and allowed his kids to watch him wrestle in-person, I want Christian Cage to beat him half to death in front of them, saying awful things about absent and dead dad's. Edited Friday at 09:23 AM by d-d-d-dAz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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