LazyMcLopez Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, Chris B said: There's been a recent reboot of the comics line, which ended MTMTE etc - I've tried it, and got bored after a few issues. Happy to hear why I should give anything a second chance though. It's not terrible, but it's lacking the sense of fun that MTMTE in particular had and very few of the (massive) cast of characters have been defined in anything other than very broad strokes. The spin off Galaxies comic does a bit more character work and there was a recent story about Cliffjumper living in Bumblebee's shadow which felt like a step in the right direction. The main comic is currently very much about Cybertronian politics, which I assume is building up to the Autobot vs Decepticon war, but it suffers from the fact that everything seems quite transparent- even secret plots are not kept secret from the reader, so there is not much intrigue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Blog Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 58 minutes ago, Chris B said: Actually, to be fair, @Joe Blog said "probably to be answered by Chris B", not probably best answered by Chris B. So he might have been justifiably noting that I'd turn up with my opinion, no matter what. That was my suspicion đ. Thank you for both answers though gents. I was hoping to immerse myself this evening buy my dog just stood in a wasp nest and did a number on her..they really are horrid little fuckers. She is good, just in for obs as she has been stung so many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted July 13, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 7/10/2020 at 5:42 PM, Chris B said: It's the one who has seen it multiple times before going insane when things start happening differently. So, hereâs where the retcon that Furman wrote kind of shoots itself in the foot and puts a big logic hole into the story. Galvatron is attempting to reconcile what heâs seeing with his eyes to how he remembers living it as Megatron. However... this isnât Megatron as we learn later, this is the clone that ends up killing himself, and Megatron that would have ended up reformatted by Unicron is actually on Cybertron, not experiencing the battle of Time Wars, so itâs impossible for Galvatron to remember it. I say âwould haveâ because in comic continuity, Unicron is destroyed in 1992 by Optimus Prime instead of by Rodimus in 2005, so the past Galvatron returned to was actually altered so that in at least one potential future, he wonât exist. Sadly for Rodimus and the other future Autobots, when they return to their own time they somehow end up in a 2009 where Galvatron not only exists, but never travelled to Earths past and has conquered Cybertron. To further bend your mind, aware of the potential different futures awaiting him, âourâ Unicron plucks a Galvatron from a future to aid him, this being the Galvatron that ended up on the Ark meeting up with Megatron and Shockwave and ultimately getting put down by Fort Max at the end of the comic. This future being one where Unicron devoured Cybertron and gifted Galvatron the Earth, complete with the grisly sight of Rodimus being strung up between the twin towers and executed. My actual favourite part of the time travel nonsense is where Cyclonus and Scourge muck about in 2007-08 without Galvatron whoâs disappeared back into the past, until theyâre flung even further into the past by Deaths Head where upon they fall under the command of Scorponok and end up travelling to Nebulos and becoming Targetmasters before ending up on Earth and... waiting for Galvatron. Pretty neat way of Furman reconciling two future characters being part of a group whose gimmick/toys are attached to nine other characters that arenât going to be from the future in the US comic.  My unresolved question about Time Wars is : why was Red Alert chosen as a âfutureâ Autobot? Really stands out next to Rodimus, Arcee, Kup, Blurr and Magnus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thicko Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I have the complete run of the UK Marvel Transformers comic. Wish Iâd been reminded of this at the start of the lockdown instead of now when Iâm back at work. Definitely digging them out when I get chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted July 14, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 hours ago, air_raid said: So, hereâs where the retcon that Furman wrote kind of shoots itself in the foot and puts a big logic hole into the story. Galvatron is attempting to reconcile what heâs seeing with his eyes to how he remembers living it as Megatron. However... this isnât Megatron as we learn later, this is the clone that ends up killing himself, and Megatron that would have ended up reformatted by Unicron is actually on Cybertron, not experiencing the battle of Time Wars, so itâs impossible for Galvatron to remember it. I say âwould haveâ because in comic continuity, Unicron is destroyed in 1992 by Optimus Prime instead of by Rodimus in 2005, so the past Galvatron returned to was actually altered so that in at least one potential future, he wonât exist. Sadly for Rodimus and the other future Autobots, when they return to their own time they somehow end up in a 2009 where Galvatron not only exists, but never travelled to Earths past and has conquered Cybertron. To further bend your mind, aware of the potential different futures awaiting him, âourâ Unicron plucks a Galvatron from a future to aid him, this being the Galvatron that ended up on the Ark meeting up with Megatron and Shockwave and ultimately getting put down by Fort Max at the end of the comic. This future being one where Unicron devoured Cybertron and gifted Galvatron the Earth, complete with the grisly sight of Rodimus being strung up between the twin towers and executed. My actual favourite part of the time travel nonsense is where Cyclonus and Scourge muck about in 2007-08 without Galvatron whoâs disappeared back into the past, until theyâre flung even further into the past by Deaths Head where upon they fall under the command of Scorponok and end up travelling to Nebulos and becoming Targetmasters before ending up on Earth and... waiting for Galvatron. Pretty neat way of Furman reconciling two future characters being part of a group whose gimmick/toys are attached to nine other characters that arenât going to be from the future in the US comic.  My unresolved question about Time Wars is : why was Red Alert chosen as a âfutureâ Autobot? Really stands out next to Rodimus, Arcee, Kup, Blurr and Magnus. Hey, @Joe Blog - when I say that, by the end of the Marvel UK series, all of this will make sense and seem awesome in places, I mean it. It's THAT good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BigJag Posted July 14, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) The Japanese trailer for the upcoming Netflix show is markedly superior to the western one. Jetfire looks to have been characterised in quite a departure from what we are used to. I like this Jetfire. Edited July 15, 2020 by BigJag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patiirc Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I see the admin of Gnaw The Sharkticon is believed to have passed away.RIP. The Transformers pages on Facebook can be quite fun. I miss Thundercracker's page . Does anyone else follow any of them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted July 16, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 16, 2020 9 hours ago, patiirc said: The Transformers pages on Facebook can be quite fun. I miss Thundercracker's page . Does anyone else follow any of them?? Iâm assuming Thundercrackerâs wasnât updated very often as his heart wasnât really in it and he was just going along with all his mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BigJag Posted July 19, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Finished reading Regeneration 1 today. A pretty good read and enjoyed the artwork. I felt the artwork gave a very good sense of scale for the various environments. Tied up a number of story threads and left a few dangling for future pickups. I'd have liked some of the individual faceoffs to have had a little extra space devoted to them. It's always fun to see the new leaders go at it. Which sort of leaves Rodimus without an opponent. I know the Movie puts Galvatron in that role. However in the comics it's pretty much always Ultra Magnus vs Galvatron in pitched battle. With Rodimus instead weighed down with leadership duties or quests to discover the truth. Never a character I really enjoy reading. There's a new comic out soon if not already. That covers the events that preceded the beginnings of the Transformers saga that was concluded in Regeneration 1. Transformers 84 Secrets and Lies is the title. It's a 4 part miniseries.  Edited July 20, 2020 by BigJag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RancidPunx Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Was a MASK man myself . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ronnie Posted July 20, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, RancidPunx said: Was a MASK man myself . Don't forget to drop by the pets thread to share that you preferred your Tamagotchi. The cricket thread might benefit from knowing that you favour croquet, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted July 20, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2020 13 hours ago, BigJag said: There's a new comic out soon if not already. That covers the events that preceded the beginnings of the Transformers saga that was concluded in Regeneration 1. Transformers 84 Secrets and Lies is the title. It's a 4 part miniseries.  It's nowhere near essential reading, but it's fun. Simon Furman is writing it, so I'm always going to be interested, even just for nostalgia reasons. There are footnotes at the end referencing obscure points from various series that are being tied together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted July 20, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Chris B said: Simon Furman is writing it, so I'm always going to be interested, even just for nostalgia reasons. Over the weekend I read some daftness about Furmans âattitude to female Autobotsâ relating to some dialogue in Earth Wars. Missing the point that a writer writing a character (Grimlock) to be a chauvinist, doesnât make the writer a chauvinist, and actually the Torchbearers/Rust Renegades are invariably badasses. Anyhoo, this nutball referred to him as âFuckmanâ and I canât get it out of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ronnie Posted July 20, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, air_raid said: Over the weekend I read some daftness about Furmans âattitude to female Autobotsâ relating to some dialogue in Earth Wars. Missing the point that a writer writing a character (Grimlock) to be a chauvinist, doesnât make the writer a chauvinist, and actually the Torchbearers/Rust Renegades are invariably badasses. Anyhoo, this nutball referred to him as âFuckmanâ and I canât get it out of my head. Oh, there was some real nastiness directed to him a few years ago for his explanation of Arcee being an identifiable female in a species where everybody else uses male pronouns. (Jhiaxus arbitrarily deciding to introduce gender to the species by experimenting on her was what it boiled down to, I think, with the character continuing to use those pronouns because she felt different as a result.) That brings to mind the reactionary pile-on which James Roberts suffered on Twitter when the Decepticons who had discovered a mentally shutdown Grimlock were offered a sizable sum to hand him over at the end of an issue. He left Twitter for a time and had to write a note explaining the obvious. It's amazing to me that anybody who has read MTMTE could think of him as a bigot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ronnie Posted July 20, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Chris B said: It's nowhere near essential reading, but it's fun. Simon Furman is writing it, so I'm always going to be interested, even just for nostalgia reasons. I read issue 0 when it came out and really enjoyed it. I'm a bit of a weirdo like that. (I don't watch films but am one of those oddballs who enjoys the Star Wars prequels because I like knowing what the end result is via the original films and seeing how the producers fill out the backstory to work towards it.) But ... massive continuity error from Furman! Ultra Magnus is a core character in it, this series pre-dating the Arrival from Cybertron ... but Furman's own Target: 2006 contained a character profile stating that Magnus had been built shortly before Operation: Volcano in 1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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