Factotum Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Quote Well, whatever blows your hair back mate, but it's not for me. I won't be shouting his innocence from the rooftops, but I'll hold off on labelling the man a paedophile when there's no actual evidence that it's true. Jimmy Saville fan yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 26 minutes ago, Factotum said: Jimmy Saville fan yeah? Not really, no. His Jim'll Fix It show was big back in the day, but I can't say I considered him must-watch TV really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUM Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I watched the doc and honestly feel that this was 2 families absolutely infatuated with Michael Jackson and are taking some sort of revenge for him shunning them knowing he can't defend himself. It's apparently not about money but both are suing for money. Folk on Twitter sending Macaulay Culkin prayers telling him he was abused whether he likes it or not need their heads checked too. It's a one sided documentary and the stories seemed so cliched to me. There is undeniably stuff Jackson shouldn't have been doing with these kids but as far as physically molesting them I am not sure I'm on board with that being true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Danger Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The fact all these parents were ok with these super fun time sleep overs makes me question their morals but not as much as the morals of the man having the super fun time sleep overs. You only have to see Capturing the Friedmans to see how parents can be fucked up in exaggerating an already very sordid truth. I doubt we'll ever know for sure but I think there's enough evidence to give Billy Jean the skip treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted March 8, 2019 Author Paid Members Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 hours ago, FUM said: It's a one sided documentary Imagine a documentary completely dedicated to two sexual abuse victims and their families giving their account of their abuse being one-sided. Honestly the laziest criticism that could be be made of this documentary, or any such similar ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Blog Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I cannot understand how people are making their decision based on this documentary. If MJ was interfering with children, which is a massive possibility then he is absolute scum and the world is better off without him. What really baffles me is the parents allowing their children to be under the care of Michael in his bedroom for these sleepover parties. What type of backward fucker let's their children sleep alone with an adult.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted March 8, 2019 Author Paid Members Share Posted March 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, Joe Blog said: I cannot understand how people are making their decision based on this documentary. If MJ was interfering with children, which is a massive possibility then he is absolute scum and the world is better off without him. What really baffles me is the parents allowing their children to be under the care of Michael in his bedroom for these sleepover parties. What type of backward fucker let's their children sleep alone with an adult.  Did you watch the documentary? Because if you did then you would have seen for yourself how he made them do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted March 8, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted March 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, Joe Blog said: I cannot understand how people are making their decision based on this documentary.  Given that in his previous court case people learned that kids had seen him naked, been plied with booze & were shown porn I think that this was enough evidence to form a decision. Surely the question here is why, knowing this information is publicly available are people still defending him? Regardless of this documentary. Who thinks this behaviour is acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Quote What really baffles me is the parents allowing their children to be under the care of Michael in his bedroom for these sleepover parties. What type of backward fucker let's their children sleep alone with an adult. Also who gives a fuck? I care more about the abuser who used his power, wealth and fame to prey on the vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Blog Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, Factotum said: Also who gives a fuck? I care more about the abuser who used his power, wealth and fame to prey on the vulnerable. Well I give a fuck. No doubt the Michael has used all of that to prey upon innocdnt children. Fact remains that the parents want dragged over the coals for allowing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Blog Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: Did you watch the documentary? Because if you did then you would have seen for yourself how he made them do it. Yeah I did, my point remains though. If The Rock wanted me to allow my children to sleep over at his house in exchange for money etc I would still tell him to fuck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, FUM said: I watched the doc and honestly feel that this was 2 families absolutely infatuated with Michael Jackson and are taking some sort of revenge for him shunning them knowing he can't defend himself. It's apparently not about money but both are suing for money. Folk on Twitter sending Macaulay Culkin prayers telling him he was abused whether he likes it or not need their heads checked too. It's a one sided documentary and the stories seemed so cliched to me. There is undeniably stuff Jackson shouldn't have been doing with these kids but as far as physically molesting them I am not sure I'm on board with that being true. The whole situation is one huge clusterfuck in reality. You have a guy who's weird, who's hanging out with children, and even if he is innocent he's putting himself in a terrible position as far as how it can be perceived. You then have parents who for some weird reason had no issue with their kids sharing a bed and taking part in sleepovers with an adult man. Now we've reached the point where there's been a big court case, 14 counts brought against Jackson, he was found not guilty on all 14, two of the guys who testified in his favour have launched unsuccessful lawsuits against his estate, one of their families got a nice new house out of the situation, another kids family settled out of court for over $20 million, the actual central figure is now dead, and the truth is that no one in the media or the public at large, no matter how many times they claim they have no doubts, knows exactly what the fuck went on. The only thing we know for certain is that if he was guilty of carrying out what he's been accused of, he won't face justice because he's no longer here. We also know that none of this will turn his fans against him, at all. If anything they'll just dig in and buy more copies of Thriller. Edited March 8, 2019 by David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted March 8, 2019 Author Paid Members Share Posted March 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, Joe Blog said: Yeah I did, my point remains though. If The Rock wanted me to allow my children to sleep over at his house in exchange for money etc I would still tell him to fuck off. You've never been in the situation where the most powerful man in showbusiness, perhaps of all time, has wanted to have his way with your son though, have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: You've never been in the situation where the most powerful man in showbusiness, perhaps of all time, has wanted to have his way with your son though, have you? Not to mention it was a different era. Can you imagine someone like Jackson doing what he did in this day & age? I recall him being considered strange at the time, but the media were more concentrating on his adventures with a fucking monkey and how he was trying to morph into Diana Ross than the fact he was always surrounded by kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Blog Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: You've never been in the situation where the most powerful man in showbusiness, perhaps of all time, has wanted to have his way with your son though, have you? No I have not but regardless of who or what he is or was I would not allow him access to my child. There is no amount of money in the world that would make me subject my child to the attention of a abuser. Anyone that cannot see the issue here needs their head checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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