Keith Houchen Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 And the 8chan defender when the kiddie porn stuff was going on. On one hand, it's great to see Disney take a firm stance on stuff that could tarnish their image. On the other hand, they employ Johnny Depp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted July 21, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, seph said: You should see some of the material Mike Cernovich (the nark) came up with. Not posting that shit here. Yeah I have been sharing it. He’s way worse then Gunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted July 21, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: And the 8chan defender when the kiddie porn stuff was going on. On one hand, it's great to see Disney take a firm stance on stuff that could tarnish their image. On the other hand, they employ Johnny Depp. And John Lassiter. And the question is why did Disney hire him in the first place as his tweets were pre him being taken on for GotG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted July 21, 2018 Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Hannibal Scorch said: America. The country where someone writes some tweets to be controversial before they were famous and gets publicly fired for it but is happy to have a sexist, racist president who is in bed with Russia get away with saying and doing worse. Well played I knew Disney was powerful, but I never knew they got to choose the president.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted July 21, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Chest Rockwell said: I knew Disney was powerful, but I never knew they got to choose the president.. The statement was about America’s attitude. According to twitter if you make a joke about paedophilia, that’s the same as being one. However, James Gunn is very vocal about Trump. Bob Iger, head of Disney is friends of Trump. I think they have jumped the gun on their reaction to this personally (pun not intended) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: The statement was about America’s attitude. And it's nonsense. Millions of Americans moan about Trump constantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted July 21, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, King Pitcos said: And it's nonsense. Millions of Americans moan about Trump constantly. And yet Millions support him through thick and thin. Look at what happened when "Grab em by the pussy" happened. The people who defended it, including woman wearing t-shirts saying Trump can grab me by the pussy was shocking, and sickening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted July 21, 2018 Awards Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: Marvel wouldn't be a chosen specialist subject for me on Mastermind, but at the end of Infinity War, Reveal hidden contents Didn't they all die? You are correct, but it's widely assumed - and practically confirmed since there's another Spider-Man film already being shot - that the next Avengers film will be about the survivors trying to reverse what happened and getting all the dead ones back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Red Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: The statement was about America’s attitude. According to twitter if you make a joke about paedophilia, that’s the same as being one. However, James Gunn is very vocal about Trump. Bob Iger, head of Disney is friends of Trump. I think they have jumped the gun on their reaction to this personally (pun not intended) While I don't doubt that there's a case to be made that this was a hatchet job by pro-trump supporters this isn't a case of Gunn being wronged and he definitely had to go. He made terrible inappropriate comments less than 10 years ago as an adult, which he has said were part of a deliberate persona to be a 'provocateur', he didn't say it was wrong, he only said his humour had grown. I've seen defenders saying it's hypocritical for Disney to take this action since also they've got inappropriate stuff in their past (eg Song of the South), but that's nonsense; those films are culturally insensitive but 'of their time', I don't recall child rape humour ever being culturally accepted. I say that as a huge fan of both Guardians films and the MCU in general, I don't think he should never work again but it was the right decision. Disney had absolutely no choice, kids love Marvel movies, and GOTG especially; I wouldn't want my kids googling his name and finding this sort of stuff. Edited July 21, 2018 by Bicurious Dad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted July 21, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bicurious Dad said: While I don't doubt that there's a case to be made that this was a hatchet job by pro-trump supporters this isn't a case of Gunn being wronged and he definitely had to go. He made terrible inappropriate comments less than 10 years ago as an adult, which he has said were part of a deliberate persona to be a 'provocateur', he didn't say it was wrong, he only said his humour had grown. I've seen defenders saying it's hypocritical for Disney to take this action since also they've got inappropriate stuff in their past (eg Song of the South), but that's nonsense; those films are culturally insensitive but 'of their time', I don't recall child rape humour ever being culturally accepted. I say that as a huge fan of both Guardians films and the MCU in general, I don't think he should never work again but it was the right decision. Disney had absolutely no choice, kids love Marvel movies, and GOTG especially; I wouldn't want my kids googling his name and finding this sort of stuff. So, in that case where his comments then were very un-Disney, why did they hire him? They knew about those tweets, they must have. And when he was questioned about it (I saw some tweets with someone calling him out about it around 2013 I think it was) and he apologized then, why did Disney do nothing? This isn't a case of being caught doing something they had no idea about, these were public comments. It is the hypocrisy I don't like when people like John Lasseter and Johnny Depp are still celebrated by the company (and in JL's case, still on the payroll). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted July 21, 2018 Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2018 Because Disney doesn't give a shit unless they think it can affect their bottom line. And he didn't make just one joke. The collection of everything he wrote together was pretty gross. Maybe he was just being shocking or provoking, I don't know. I don't know enough about him. Reading everything he wrote together it could easily be him being a paedo hiding in plain sight. With guys like Spacey everyone cut their ties immediately when accusations broke before there was anything public in the way of evidence or admission. That was because it was a well known fact to those in the business. So maybe there is something to it? Who knows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Red Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Disney is a large corporation, but made up of individuals who make individual decisions especially when things aren't in the public eye. Gunn's tweets weren't widely known about, no doubt those within the company who knew felt that it wouldn't come to the forefront, or felt they could have plausible deniability if they did. I'm not going to defend Disney for Lasseter, Depp, etc but this type of 'unless they are all fired none of them should be' argument is the kind of thing media twats like Piers Morgan use to undermine things that don't align with their own agenda. Double standards don't excuse Gunn's actions. He had to go, there's no question about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Hannibal Scorch said: And yet Millions support him through thick and thin. Which is what you're doing now with James Gunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted July 21, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, King Pitcos said: Which is what you're doing now with James Gunn. I am trying to see the difference between what someone is doing, right now as leader of argubly the most powerful country in the world, and him being allowed to carry on, and a movie director who said some dumb shit 10 years ago and apologized for it before. IF he has actually done any of those things he has discussed, I hope I never see his smug face again. However, if he has just made some stupid tweets, Disney should either of never hired him, or giving him a public dressing down. Trump has caused a rise in tensions and racism across the world. He isn't the host of the Apprentice anymore, he is one of the most powerful men in the world who appears to be made of teflon. I cannot understand why he is able to continuely get away with everything, whilst a movie director was fired. Roseanne Barr, had a history of racist and anti semitism, and they still brought her show back. She was only fired when she was racist again now, not for past tweets. It is either a stitch up, or there are skelletons in the closet. But right now it looks iffy. I love the GOTG films, I think he is a good director, and I don't think he should have been fired if someone rediscovering those tweets is the only reason why. If there is more to it then that, then I guess they didn't have any choice. But Big Dave isn't happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, HarmonicGenerator said: You are correct, Hide contents but it's widely assumed - and practically confirmed since there's another Spider-Man film already being shot - that the next Avengers film will be about the survivors trying to reverse what happened and getting all the dead ones back. Ah fuck that shit. Thought they’d do a massive cop out. I think we can all agree that Disney are evil paedo enablers and need to be Spaceyd our of history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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