Paid Members Chris B Posted February 24, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted February 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Supremo said: Everything MJF said can be true to his character, and he can still be a prick who uses the sympathy gained to violently attack Punk. It doesn't have to be a lie. Exploiting past trauma to manipulate and gain an advantage is a heel trait, it's just not something most people have the balls or ability to pull off. If I was ever going to trust anyone to succeed doing it, it would be these two in 2022. That mixture of sympathy and anger is also what made CM Punk's feud with Raven so memorable and really launched him as a character, particularly in the promo below. You can absolutely have sympathetic points behind a heel - in fact, it makes MJF finally much more interesting to me. It's an explanation for some of his actions and why he enjoys making other people miserable, but it isn't an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Rewatching the MJF segment, Punk showing actual concern and a bit of guilt is just so good. Don’t think it’s gonna get MJF cheered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted February 24, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted February 24, 2022 I’ve watched the MJF thing about five times now. It’s incredible. What a great little touch that Punk comes out looking guilty and sympathetic, yet still has one hand balled into a fist, not trusting Max, ready to swing if he needs to. This is coming close to rivalling Omega and Hangman as the best thing they’ve ever done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Land Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I think it's been mentioned but MJF's used the basics of this story previously, it's never stopped him being booed or hated before. However it plays out in the CM Punk feud, he'll still be hated when he starts bullying Wardlow again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I’ve not seen much of Dynamite from last night. However given the praise of the promo I’ve read on here I checked out that MJF promo and that was simply incredible. Just wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, Supremo said: Everything MJF said can be true to his character, and he can still be a prick who uses the sympathy gained to violently attack Punk. It doesn't have to be a lie. Exploiting past trauma to manipulate and gain an advantage is a heel trait, it's just not something most people have the balls or ability to pull off. If I was ever going to trust anyone to succeed doing it, it would be these two in 2022. I think the worst thing they could do would be have MJF say that it was all untrue. That would get heat in the moment, sure, but for me it would take away from what was a very powerful moment. As far as the story goes, the idea that CM Punk created MJF is incredibly interesting, and adds a depth to the story that you don't normally see in wrestling. CM Punk lives on knowing that his decision turned a decent human being, into the person that MJF is today. Someone earlier described it as a "supervillain origin story" - that's a great way of putting it, and it's not something you often see in wrestling. It tells us why MJF exists, and why he behaves the way he does. His source of hope, and the person who he put his trust in abandoned him, and in that moment, Punk inadvertently created a despicable human being. And now, it's on him to stop the monster he created. It also ties MJF to Punk forever - allowing them to revisit this storyline and relationship in the future. The prospect of a heel Punk versus a babyface MJF in the future is genuinely exciting. Up until now, in terms of all-time great rivalries, Punk's all-time top opponent surely had to be John Cena. Now AEW may well have created a rivalry that puts that to shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 It doesn’t have to be untrue. You just have MJF embrace that those things made him who he is, and he doesn’t regret it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 As astounding as that promo was, MJF has enough layers to still be the shitbag. I think he might have done a Mark Henry salmon jacket deal here. Where even after all of this he's still the manipulative dick heel. You could say he's getting in Punk's head. Miiinnndd Gammmesss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 10 nearly being unmasked Starks winning and ruining our Hoss ladder dreams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Land Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Louch said: 10 nearly being unmasked Starks winning and ruining our Hoss ladder dreams I thought 10 had a really good showing in his match with Adam Cole. Losing the mask sooner than later will help as he'll have to relearn things with the mask off as it's a different skill that needs developed. Starks & Hobbs give me slight hope of a HOOK cameo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted February 24, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted February 24, 2022 MJF used the core of that story in a promo in MLW: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Also, you can have Punk rightly point out that MJF is everything he professed to hate. He is a bully. There's layers to it, and as someone mentioned, these two will know how to play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) I don’t think it’s leading to a face turn for MJF, but it did a great job of adding some stakes for him to win the Dog Collar Match. All too often it’s a case of the heel having being forced into the match and at risk of getting their comeuppance and little else. This did a great job of MJF having a reason to want to win, feeling slighted by Punk for it “just being a Friday” Edited February 24, 2022 by WyattSheepMask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, WyattSheepMask said: I don’t think it’s leading to a face turn for MJF, but it did a great job of adding some stakes for him to win the Dog Collar Match. I don't think so either, but it would be absolutely fascinating to see if they could pull off a double turn here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted February 24, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted February 24, 2022 Who the heck is in charge of applying the fake tan in AEW? Cole's looked dreadful (as usual), and they'd missed the back of MJF's hands. Enjoyed the battle royal. John Silver had a good run, and it did a great job of furthering the rift between ReDragon and the Bucks as well. I marked out when Page came out afterwards and hit the buckshot. MJF's promo was good. 2.0 and Garcia's promo was good. Garcia's got a great future ahead of him. Penta's new thing is pretty cool. How far from Fenix coming back are we for the six man? The Matthews reveal was nice, but went on a bit long. It's a shame we're not getting our big lads ladder match. I guess somebody has to be in there to bump around for them all. The dynamic of Hobbes and Starks being able to cooperate could ve interesting as well. Jade Vs Tay could be interesting. Hopefully they don't try and do anything too fancy. I wonder whether Serena Deeb will try to stop Jade from making it to 30. I want more of Danielson & Garcia, but Danielson Vs Moxley will be a heck of a match. Hopefully they've got a nice hot crowd for the hometown go home show next week at Daily's Place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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