jimufctna24 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 12:40 AM, David said: It's not so much a criticism of Joshua really, as much as it's about Fury at his best being probably the best heavyweight fighter of the past twenty-odd years. Only Lennox Lewis in his prime comes close really. I find that a lot of people romanticise past heavyweights. Fury would give almost every heavyweight - past or present - a lot of problems. I am not saying he would beat a prime version of Lewis, the pre-1989 version of Tyson, or the pre-exile version of Ali. But he wouldn't necessarily be out of his depth against them either. He can do a bit of everything and always seems to rise to the occasion. He can pound his opponent into a pulp and make their corner throw in the towel, bounce from stance to stance, leave his opponent utterly confused, etc. All that combined with his height and reach makes him a force to be reckoned with. I bottled it last week and picked Wilder to beat him. But I won't do the same if he fights AJ in the future. I think Fury soundly outboxes him and maybe even stops him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted February 29, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, jimufctna24 said: Fury would give almost every heavyweight - past or present - a lot of problems. I am not saying he would beat a prime version of Lewis, the pre-1989 version of Tyson, or the pre-exile version of Ali. But he wouldn't necessarily be out of his depth against them either. George Foreman was asked on Twitter how he thinks heâd have done against Fury. This was before the Wilder rematch, by the way. I love Big George. He comes across so cool, happy and ego-free in his old age. Clearly still loves Boxing but heâs always so humble when he talks about his own career and todayâs boxers. Itâs great to see. I wish he was my grandad. As for Fury, there really hasnât ever been a Heavyweight like him before. To be that big and move the way he does isnât normal. Edited February 29, 2020 by wandshogun09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted February 29, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted February 29, 2020 I'm very much of the opinion there is pretty much no point in comparing fighters from different eras, at least from those more than twenty years apart. There have been so many advances made in training methodologies and sports science, it's ridiculous to compare Tyson Fury trained in the 2000s/2010s to Ali trained in the 1960s. If it were possible to get a clear idea of how Fury might have turned out with 1960s training or Ali might have turned out with 21st Century training, it might make more sense, but at least right now it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted February 29, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) This fight is just the gift that keeps on giving: Â Give this man a wrestling manager or commentator contract. Edited February 29, 2020 by Carbomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted February 29, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted February 29, 2020 I think this is pretty old but hereâs Big John Fury cutting a money promo and predicting Fury vs AJ... âHeâll be crying after 4 rounds. Tearsâll be rollinâ out of his eyes like marrowfat peas.â That bit finished me like I was wearing a 40lb suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 6 hours ago, jimufctna24 said: I find that a lot of people romanticise past heavyweights. Fury would give almost every heavyweight - past or present - a lot of problems. I am not saying he would beat a prime version of Lewis, the pre-1989 version of Tyson, or the pre-exile version of Ali. But he wouldn't necessarily be out of his depth against them either. He can do a bit of everything and always seems to rise to the occasion. He can pound his opponent into a pulp and make their corner throw in the towel, bounce from stance to stance, leave his opponent utterly confused, etc. All that combined with his height and reach makes him a force to be reckoned with. I bottled it last week and picked Wilder to beat him. But I won't do the same if he fights AJ in the future. I think Fury soundly outboxes him and maybe even stops him. I do believe that Lewis is probably the best equipped heavyweight of the past twenty or so years to have a chance to beat Fury. 6'5, 245lbs, decent reach, fast, intelligent, could box and was also known as a knock out artist. He stopped 32 of his 41 wins. He's probably the closest to a modern style boxer of that time period. A prime Lewis could do well today I think. Although it's unfair to compare fighters from previous eras, especially considering the size difference, I don't think any of the greats going further back than Lewis would have much success against Fury. Mike Tyson? 5'10, 218lbs? Far too small. The way the Lewis fight went is similar to how Fury would beat him I think. Going even further back, there's Muhammad Ali. Great boxer, but at 6'3 and 215lbs in his prime he'd not have much chance against someone as big, fast, and skilled as Fury. If Fury beats Wilder again, then beats Joshua, there's a legitimate claim for him to be considered the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time in my view.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Yeah but didnât you consider Marciano as the greatest? I see your game, whitey.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted February 29, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted February 29, 2020 David's gone all in on Fury đČ Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 16 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: Yeah but didnât you consider Marciano as the greatest? I see your game, whitey. Wrong Rocky, it was Balboa. I see your point though đ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 On 2/29/2020 at 3:37 PM, David said: Mike Tyson? 5'10, 218lbs? Far too small. I wonder how boxing experts said this in the early 80s.  Tyson was knocking out guys much taller than him for his whole career.  None as tall as Fury admittedly but then Tysonâs speed and power in those days would be a problem for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Loki said: I wonder how boxing experts said this in the early 80s.  None. Probably because he turned pro in 85  But I know what you mean. I donât recall it being an issue because, as you say, his speed and power were his attributes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: None. Probably because he turned pro in 85  But I know what you mean. I donât recall it being an issue because, as you say, his speed and power were his attributes. He was an amateur before that you know, he didnât spring like Athene from the head of DâAmato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Loki said: He was an amateur before that you know, he didnât spring like Athene from the head of DâAmato. I still bet it was none though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Keith Houchen said: I still bet it was none though. Thatâs because you touch yourself at night though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Teedy Kay Posted March 2, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted March 2, 2020 So, apparently there's video evidence that Fury wasn't correctly wearing his gloves, especially his left hand. I don't see the benefits of just wafting a padded glove about the place, but his left hand does look remarkably flexible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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