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    The new MMA general news, events and thoughts thread

    Great article by Jordan Breen about the history of the lightweight division - http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/A-Lightweight-At-the-End-of-the-Tunnel-140861 Elsewhere, Jones has stoked rumours that he might headline UFC 230 at MSG. Schaub suggested earlier in the week that Jones should rematch Gus on the show. Of course, the world is not good enough for that to become a reality. But fucking hell, I would like to see it.
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    The new MMA general news, events and thoughts thread

    Only Koscheck, Thacker and Lodune Sincaid are missing from the reunion photo.
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    At the moment, yes. I think a prime version of Cain would beat any version of Fedor head to head. I also think that Fedor could have beefed up his resume a bit more in Pride by squaring off against the likes of Barnett and Sergei. However, for all Fedor's shortcomings, I don't see a better candidate. Fedor's resume compares well to Miocic's for reasons I underlined. Injuries have seriously negated Cain's potential.
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    It was fleeting, but for a good 18 months or so, he was a legit killer. Come on now. Tim was in decent shape for the Fedor fight. Much better shape than he was in for the Mercer fight. Sylvia had beaten Vera only 8 months prior and had taken rounds off Big Nog just 4/5 months prior. There was nothing to say that Timmeh was past his best heading into the Fedor fight. It was the Fedor loss that sent Arlovski into a tailspin. The Arlovski that Fedor faced was the very best version. He had been training with Freddie Roach going into that fight and was coming off knockout wins over Nelson and Rothwell. I already compared Fedor and Miocic's resumes on a previous page. I have no idea why you are so keen to dismiss Fedor's scalps as overrated or has-beens, but you don't extend the same sentiments to Miocic's scalps. If Arlovski and Sylvia were past their best when Fedor fought them, then what can we say about the versions of Overeem, Hunt and JDS that Miocic fought? If Cro Cop is overrated, then what about Ngannou? If losing to Hendo is embarrassing, then what about losing to Struve? Fedor beat the two best heavyweights he faced head to head in Big Nog and the 2005 version of Cro Cop. Miocic lost to the two best heavyweights he faced in the 2014 version of JDS and D.C. So I am being clear, I don't dispute that Fedor fought a lot of cans in Pride. I also ignore his wins post-Strikeforce for obvious reasons.
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    Shogun did turn out to be a legit killer though, if you ignore those first 18 months where his performances suffered from knee injuries. Afterwards. he walloped Liddell, beat the seemingly unbeatable Machida twice (the first fight was a robbery), and avenged his earlier loss against Forrest. He therefore beat 3/4 of the UFC's best Light-Heavyweights from that era, with Rashad being the only exception. The Jones loss tells us very little. By all rights, the two should have been separated by at least one weightclass. The game completely changed once Jones turned up. Two of the three fighters he lost to in Strikeforce were Pride stalwarts (Hendo and Werdum). He actually performed very well against heavyweights who had fought predominantly in the states. Arlovski and Sylvia dominated the US heavyweight scene in the mid-2000s and were still in their primes when Fedor beat them. Rogers was a flash in the pan, but dangerous for a brief period. Big Foot was, of course, the exception. If you look at Fedor circa 2004, he looked much more solid than the 2011 version and moved a lot quicker. He used to be able to explode out of danger. The 2011 version had clearly faded. Despite this, I do think the Werdum loss could have happened to a prime Fedor or anyone other heavyweight past or present. Werdum has the game to submit anyone.
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    I was going on their initial tenures in the UFC only. I don't think it's fair to rate many of the Pride fighter's success in the UFC as they entered the winter of their careers. Some were already past their best before making the move stateside. Also, Werdum became a more well-rounded heavyweight as his career progressed. Comparing Werdum circa 2005 with Werdum circa 2015 is like comparing two completely different fighters. As is comparing Fedor circa 2004 to Fedor circa 2011. Fighers mature and excel at different times and for different reasons.
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    Based on their initial runs in UFC Mild success Hendo (beat three UFC stalwarts, only losing to fellow Pride stalwarts Anderson and Rampage) Shogun (overcame injury woes to become champion) Rampage (knocked out UFC's long-standing champion, lost to Griffin in a close contest, but beat Jardine) Big Nog (got blitzed by Mir, but beat both Sylvia and Couture) Mixed Wanderlei (lost to Liddell and Franklin, but beat Bisping and Jardine) Werdum (beat Vera and Gonzaga, but lost to Arlovski and JDS) Lil Nog (went 4-0 stateside before losing to Davis and Bader) Fedor (blitzed Sylvia, Rogers and Arlovski before going on his losing streak) Busts Cro Cop Sokoudjou Dennis Kang Gomi (although he did switch some 3 years after Pride folded) Miocic couldn't even beat Struve Cain got dropped 3 times by Kongo If you think that the Fedor of 2011 was the same Fedor as 2004, then fine. But I sincerely doubt that was the case.
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    Pride had very little shite in their final few years. You would get the odd bit of shite involving the likes of Eldar Kurtanidze, Zulu, Butterbean, Tank Abbott, Kimo, Henry Miller, Sean O'Haire, Giant Silva, etc. But most of those lot were harmless freakshow fodder. You could live with them in very small doses. As stated, it was more the early shows where there was plenty of shite.
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    Indeed. However, it should be remembered that Shogun injured his ACL while training for that bout. He had to have surgery to repair it post-fight, and completely blew it out while rehabbing it. It was these injuries that reduced Shogun to a shell of his former self from 2007-2009.
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    Again, opening up the lax drug restrictions that Pride offered to UFC fighters was not a guarantee that they would turn into beasts. If it were, then Belfort would have cleaned up in Pride. Instead, he was subbed by Overeem (mid-tier Pride talent), and beaten soundly by Sakuraba. He also got beat by Hendo pretty easily on one of Pride's USA shows. He mixed with both groups of fighters and their respective testing procedures. Yet, his record in Japan was no better than his record in the US during that timeframe. It's more likely that Wanderlei slowly declined than got exposed by the stricter testing procedures. By the time he jumped to the UFC he had been fighting for over a decade and had over 40 fights under his belt. Not to mention the numerous gym wars he had at Chute Boxe. As I already mentioned, the signs that he was on the decline were there before he switched to the UFC. Besides, while he did lose convincingly to Chuck and Franklin, he managed to beat UFC mainstays in Bisping and Jardine. So it's not like he had zero success in the UFC. He also got blitzed by Rampage in late 2008, a fighter who he had previously beaten twice in Pride. Clearly something had changed between Rampage and Wanderlei from 2004 and 2008. And it wasn't anything to do with PED use as they always competed on equal terms in that regard.
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    I fail to see why Fedor wasn't all he's cracked up to be. Was he perfect? No, far from it. But the recorded footage doesn't lie. He was an absolute force from 2002-2006. Would you really be confident of Miocic beating peak versions of Cro Cop and Nog in Japan? Because I certainly wouldn't. Also, the entire game was gassed as fuck in the mid-2000s. Granted, you just had to be more careful in the states as they did test fighters. However, if your theory was correct that Mir would have turned into a beast had he jumped to Pride in the early 2000s then surely the likes of Gan McGee would have became a force in Pride. Instead, he went 0-2, losing to two gatekeepers along the way in Schilt and Herring. Sure, the likes of Gomi and Sokoudjou were probably not as good as their runs in Japan made them seem. But the vast majority of Pride's top fighters were the business. Barring Cro Cop and Wanderlei, most of them proved it in the UFC as well at some point or another.
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    Combination of a long career catching up to him and adjusting to fighting in the States. Same applies for Big Nog. We have seen fighters grow old overnight in the past. Cro Cop was done by the time he fought Kongo. And let's not forget, that Kongo lost to Pride mid-carder Heath Herring after beating Cro Cop. That's why cross comparisons are not always reflective. Yoshida took him to the limit in 2005. That was a sign of things to come. Wanderlei peaked the night he beat Rampage in late 2004. He beat Machida twice and later avenged the loss against Griffin. The form he showed in those three fights dwarfed his performances against Coleman and the first fight against Forrest. 2007-2008 was a blip in Shogun's career. His style was never designed for a long prime either. That's why it is difficult to compare his performances post-2011 to his performances from 2004-2006. There were many more miles on the clock during the latter period. Also, look at Hendo's initial run in the UFC. He beat three highly touted UFC mainstays (Bisping, Franklin, Palhares, lost to a fellow Pride stalwart (Rampage), and lost to Anderson after roughing him up in the first round.
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    - Cro Cop had amassed a lengthy MMA and K1 career. He was burnt out - The same with Big Nog. Watch how he handled Herring in Pride compared to how he handled him upon his UFC debut. - Wanderlei was past his best a long time before he made the jump stateside. I think he peaked in 2004. - Rampage knocked out Chuck to become champion. Something he couldn't do in Pride. - Hendo did quite well for himself. In fact, his best years came when he switched to fighting stateside. - Fedor had success initially. He beat Arlovski and Sylvia who were the best two heavies that the states had to offer in the mid-2000s - Mousasi did well for himself in Strikeforce - Shogun was a mess from 2007-2009. He eventually turned a corner and became Champion. The division evolved after that to where he no longer had the size to compete. - The likes of Arona and Barnett didn't make the jump straight away (or at all in Arona's case). Barnett went 3-2 in the UFC in his late 30s. I don't dispute the freakshow element of Pride. They did book some right shit. But they had the lion's share of the world's best fighters from middleweight upward from 2002-2007.
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    Come on David, this is absurd. Did you not see Mir's cardio and striking when he was 25/26? They were dismal. The likes of Fedor, Nog, Kharitonov Cro Cop and others would have had no problems with him in Pride. Even Mir at his best would struggle against Pride's elite. Watch the Nog who fought Kharitonov and Barnett in Pride and compare him with the version that turned up in the UFC? It was clear that he had lost a good few steps. Which is understandable, he had fought 36 times in 7 years prior to debuting in the UFC. It's not always about age. Cro Cop burnt himself out by fighting too often in Pride. It happened to quite a few fighters in Japan (Sakuraba being the best example) MMA fighters peak and decline at different times. By your own logic, we could say that Werdum and Overeem's Pride records are reflective of how poor the UFC's Heavyweight division is today. You can play that game with almost anyone if you spin things a certain way. - You could say that JDS is the only legit name on Cain's record - You could say that Miocic only beat top-tier heavyweights after they had past their peak and lost to the only elite heavyweight he faced (D.C)
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    I still not convinced that Stipe belongs on the same level as Fedor. I think Miocic is the best heavyweight in UFC history. But Fedor still holds the distinction of being the best heavyweight in MMA history. I don't think Stipe's title reign was as good as Fedor's. They both defended their version of the world title 3 times. Stipe's defences: Overeem, JDS, Ngannou Fedor's defences: Cro Cop, Big Nog, Hunt I think wins over peak versions of Cro Cop and Nog outweigh wins over Overeem a slightly past his best JDS. I am not sure how I would compare Hunt circa 2006 and Ngannou. Nevertheless, I am still confident enough to claim that Fedor's actual title reign was stronger. Fedor also competed in a ton of non-title fights when he was champion. Granted, a lot of those fights came against cans. However, there were a few decent names mixed in (Coleman X2, Randleman, Fujita etc). Outside of their titles reigns, Fedor holds wins over Arlovski (absolute peak version), Sylvia, Herring (peak version), Rogers and Schilt. I will ignore his wins over Arona, Sobral and Lindland because those three were not really heavyweights. By contrast, Miocic holds wins over Hunt, Gonzaga, Nelson, SDR and an ageing Arlovski. There isn't much between those groups of wins. But again, I would lean slightly towards Fedor's set of wins being the more impressive. I also think that the 2004 version of Fedor (the one who fought Big Nog at Shockwave 2004) would beat any version of Miocic. Cain at his 2010-2012 peak would probably beat the best versions of both. But, as has been discussed in the past, Cain didn't have a long enough run to build a resume comparable to the ones that Miocic and Fedor amounted.
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