The Celebrity Sexual Harassment and Rapists Thread

[Dead Mike]

14 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

 

 

Back to Dispatches and the weekend papers, though, it that call for submissions is right, it can't just be Brand, as it talked about beloved comedians from the '80s onwards. Though that only mentioned stuff like drug taking, cheating on spouses, and sleeping with prostitutes, rather than anything explicitly "MeToo"

I'd expect it from the papers but if Dispatches are equating drug taking and sleeping around with sexual assault I'll be pretty disappointed. Its obviously not ideal behaviour but it feels like celeb gossip rather than a horrendous crime.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Dead Mike

[SuperBacon]

That video Kulis and Kutcher did was so insincere. Whoever thought that would work is an idiot. 

[deathrey]

Absolutley, it actually would have been better if they had said nothing. Though there is talk there was coercion from Scientology for them to write the statements as they have dirt on them. If you read all the character references, they all have the same lines repeatedly. Either way, very ill advised of them and they have destroyed their own careers.

[BomberPat]

3 minutes ago, Dead Mike said:

I'd expect it from the papers but if Dispatches are equating drug taking and sleeping around with sexual assault I'll be pretty disappointed. Its obviously not ideal behaviour but it feels like celeb gossip rather than a horrendous crime.

Yeah. Obviously we don't know what the context of any of this is yet, and I'm still not convinced that the "cancelling a bunch of comedians" Instagram story is either legit or related to this, but it might be that there's a bunch of "bad behaviour" used to pad out a broader story about abuse and harassment in stand-up comedy; the latter is long overdue, the former isn't really any of our business, and it will be disappointing if they get conflated.

That said, I'm friends with a former escort, and the only celebrity client she's ever named was a '90s comedian that she can't even watch on TV any more for how badly he treats women, so for her sake it will be satisfying if he finally gets outed.

[SuperBacon]

3 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

That said, I'm friends with a former escort, and the only celebrity client she's ever named was a '90s comedian

That rules Baddiel out I suppose.

[Dead Mike]

7 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

 

That said, I'm friends with a former escort, and the only celebrity client she's ever named was a '90s comedian that she can't even watch on TV any more for how badly he treats women, so for her sake it will be satisfying if he finally gets outed.

As in comedian who was only famous in the 90s or who broke through then?

Genuinely hope that nobody I know and/or like turns out to be a beast. It's all so grim and the public perception of 'the industry' iand how things 'work' is miles away from the reality. This will undoubtedly lead to loads of hot takes about 'what should've been done' etc.

Urgh

[Keith Houchen]

14 minutes ago, deathrey said:

Either way, very ill advised of them and they have destroyed their own careers

I’d be very surprised if that turns out to be the case. They’ll keep getting work. 

[Chili]

I've worked in comedy as a "so called comedian" for nearly 7 years and I've met multiple female acts who were survivors of abuse by other acts, one that had a nude selfie of her asleep shared by another male act and I met two male comedians who subsequently turned out to be rapists. Convicted or not. I've never even the met the 'known' famous ones either. Rough, weird industry, but you can only say so much, hence the hear say. 

[Keith Houchen]

1 minute ago, Chili said:

I've never even the met the 'known' famous ones either. Rough, weird industry, but you can only say so much, hence the hear say. 

Not yourself of course, I’m thinking out loud, but at what point does saying nothing to not lose work become enabling and complicit? Same goes for acting and wrestling. I mean it’s one thing hearing rumours but another actually knowing stuff and remaining silent. 

[LaGoosh]

All my fingers crossed that a certain comedian/children's book author/terrible sketch show performer (not naming any names) is finally outed. 

[Chili]

3 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

Not yourself of course, I’m thinking out loud, but at what point does saying nothing to not lose work become enabling and complicit? Same goes for acting and wrestling. I mean it’s one thing hearing rumours but another actually knowing stuff and remaining silent. 

Example, I know the Stephen K. Amos stories, but I can't really do much about it. That and other famous people. Well it's not a danger to my work. I assume for more high profile acts they are more complicit because of their own profile and that bad cunts tend to be understandably litigious as well, then you get your super injunctions.

There is a minnow act in the Bradford area. Been outed a fucking huge creep perving on newer acts and because they run a gig and comedy is a wild west profession as it is, they can get away and because people don't fully know or want to rock boats and if they're actually wrong, look bad.

[Hannibal Scorch]

5 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

Not yourself of course, I’m thinking out loud, but at what point does saying nothing to not lose work become enabling and complicit? Same goes for acting and wrestling. I mean it’s one thing hearing rumours but another actually knowing stuff and remaining silent. 

Surely there’s two things here. First is proof/evidence and the second is the victim. If you watch that behaviour and do nothing then you are enabling and complicity. If you’ve only heard something, it’s going to be hard for you to say anything that would result in consequence, plus you could be putting the victim in an uncomfortable position.

[SuperBacon]

I know this is a tiny, tiny part of the Internet but putting my paranoid head on (Hey, maybe Russell IS right and we are all in a system) but I would suggest naming people who haven't been alleged/charged is fairly slippery, and reckon that any vanity searchers will scour any, and all parts of the web to see what people are allegedly saying about them.

Just my tuppence.

[davertfnewman]

56 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

When he was in his 30s he was seeing 16 year old Pixie Geldof. And she wasn’t the only one. He likes them young. 
 

 

I thought he actually liked them male - he was out as gay by the time she'd be that old, surely?

[Keith Houchen]

17 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

Surely there’s two things here. First is proof/evidence and the second is the victim. If you watch that behaviour and do nothing then you are enabling and complicity. If you’ve only heard something, it’s going to be hard for you to say anything that would result in consequence, plus you could be putting the victim in an uncomfortable position.

Yeah absolutely. I guess the best thing to do is show solidarity with victims and not take their agency away. Too often victims are used as pawns in personal vendettas. 
 

Edit - @davertfnewman, Noel Fielding, not Stephen K Amos. 

Edited September 16, 2023 by Keith Houchen