patiirc Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 i would have no problem killing them nice and slowly and as painfully as possible doubtful i would have cared how old they where or not. Â Must have been another Quote the Raven who wrote this then? Â So yes, get those anger issues sorted. Â Â If it was my kid? I wouldnt know, because it hasnt fucking happened! Iam not going to start worrying about what ifs an maybes when there is no good reason to start thinking about them to the nth degree. Â No wonder so many people are paralysed by fear these days. Â Â Â So hows it feel to be a 'fucking lunatic' then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Quagmire Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 People still defending him? LMAO. Is it because it cool to be anti media? What does he have to do to make it his fault? You people need to wake up and smell the coffee. If we made him what he is which is ,lower than an animal then tough shit, im feed up of paying for his life if we cant kill him then lock him up and throw away the key.  People are now saying he shouldnt have been locked up at all? as it might spoil his childhood? Fucking laughable the fact is the guy is a fucking loon always was and clearly always will be. You can try and tell yourself he wasnt and we made him and all that other bullshit all you like.  Rick you say relaseing him would have been "terrify him" Maybe they should have  1. Taken him a railway track and beaten him to death after blinding him with paint. 2. Abused the fuck out him and took pictures.  See how scared the poor little mite is then. My only hope in all this is the poor parents dont get dragged into it again i think they have suffered more than anyone ever should.  With any luck the dad will do what he should have done a long time ago and track them down and butcher them, make no mistake about it someone did that to my boy i would have no problem killing them nice and slowly and as painfully as possible doubtful i would have cared how old they where or not.  Post of the month candidate right there.  The only thing I'll add right now is that if Venables is convicted of these Child Porn charges, he should have his anonymity rights stripped by Theresa May as he has clearly broken his rehabilitation commitments (and therefore doesn't justify any reward for it) and it'll also keep Thompson in check too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted June 22, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2010 It's not that people are paralysed by fear. More the fact that it seems people can't look at things objectively & seem to refer back to the argument 'what if it was your son/daughter/mother etc'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted June 22, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2010 if Venables is convicted of these Child Porn charges, he should have his anonymity rights stripped Why? No-one needs to know who he is unless they are a lunatic set on killing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo2007 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 There really are some bizarre people in the world aren't there. I'd like to think that if I had kids and god forbid something as horrific as the Jamie Bulger situation happened to mine, I would have the level headedness to grieve like any parent would, but have the stability to be able to understand the true disturbed mind of this kid and that prison would solve nothing but would in fact make things worse. Â I'm not a psychopath. I don't look at heinous crimes and say "public hanging, that's all they're good for" (although I used to hold this view before I came to the realisation how stupid it was), I look at heinous crimes and wonder what really lead to them. Nobody is born evil, and if you believe that then you can't be right in the head. Some crimes you just cannot explain, but locking people up and throwing away the key, or public execution do nothing to understand the causes of such extreme crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members seph Posted June 22, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2010 (edited) There really are some bizarre people in the world aren't there. I'd like to think that if I had kids and god forbid something as horrific as the Jamie Bulger situation happened to mine, I would have the level headedness to grieve like any parent would, but have the stability to be able to understand the true disturbed mind of this kid and that prison would solve nothing but would in fact make things worse. I'm not a psychopath. I don't look at heinous crimes and say "public hanging, that's all they're good for" (although I used to hold this view before I came to the realisation how stupid it was), I look at heinous crimes and wonder what really lead to them. Nobody is born evil, and if you believe that then you can't be right in the head. Some crimes you just cannot explain, but locking people up and throwing away the key, or public execution do nothing to understand the causes of such extreme crimes.  Yeah, about that...  To actually add to the topic, this is pretty much how I feel. I wanted Teh Press to be wrong about this, but unfortunately it was true. The whole affair's a massive victory for the torch & pitchfork mob, and it just goes to show that there's really no escaping that if you're locked up early enough and for long enough your adult life will end up skewed away from society's norms, no matter how hard you try to live to them. Not that there's any particular interest but exactly how Venables came to be like this really should be investigated. It's the only way any progress can be made from plain incarceration to actual rehabilitation. Edited June 22, 2010 by sephjnr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Quagmire Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 if Venables is convicted of these Child Porn charges, he should have his anonymity rights stripped Why? No-one needs to know who he is unless they are a lunatic set on killing him. If you didn't selectively quote my post, you would have noticed that I had already given you the answer to your question of "Why?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted June 22, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2010 Curious thing on the news last night: his 57 pictures were downloaded between February 2009 and February 2010. Was he a subscriber to Weekly Lolita or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 You've got to work to try and make them as normal as they can possibly be otherwise we might aswell just put people down. If we're going to have the attitude that someone is bad or evil and can't be rehabilitated then we might aswell just hang them and have done with it. Making them "as normal as can be" may not be enough to make them safe enough to be around others, especially youngsters and the like. Â I'm not of the belief that the death penalty should be used in this case (although I think it should be an option in some more extreme cases), but a lifetime prison sentence should have been applied to both of these lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyV.2 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Why wouldn't you care? Same with any horrific crime. Surely everyone should care.We should care about what we as a society can take from it. We should attempt to learn how people become this "evil". That's what professional people strive to do everyday. To pick up signs, to learn behaviour so that they can attempt to stop weirdo's and lunatics from commiting horrendous crimes. Â I think you've misunderstood my point and perhaps thats my fault for not making it clear. About not caring what happens to them or why they did it, I mean I see no reaosn to bang on about what I'ld do to them and what motivated them to do it etc etc because it makes not the slightest bit of difference to what they did. I feel theres a slightly apologetic strand to this thread, blaming parents and upbringing and now blaming how they were treated as children in prison. I see this as excuses that really I will never understand and I don't care WHY they did it. They did it, and no matter how long you trawl through the 'why's' you'll never find an answer. Maybe its just that I have no interest in their motivation, if you do fair enough, but thats part of the reason why my interest into what happens to them is nill, as nothing that happens to them will ever make up for what they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BionicRedneck Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 You've got to work to try and make them as normal as they can possibly be otherwise we might aswell just put people down. If we're going to have the attitude that someone is bad or evil and can't be rehabilitated then we might aswell just hang them and have done with it. Making them "as normal as can be" may not be enough to make them safe enough to be around others, especially youngsters and the like. Â I'm not of the belief that the death penalty should be used in this case (although I think it should be an option in some more extreme cases), but a lifetime prison sentence should have been applied to both of these lads. Â Has Thompson re-offended yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators neil Posted June 22, 2010 Moderators Share Posted June 22, 2010 People still defending him? LMAO. Is it because it cool to be anti media? What does he have to do to make it his fault? You people need to wake up and smell the coffee. If we made him what he is which is ,lower than an animal then tough shit, im feed up of paying for his life if we cant kill him then lock him up and throw away the key.  People are now saying he shouldnt have been locked up at all? as it might spoil his childhood? Fucking laughable the fact is the guy is a fucking loon always was and clearly always will be. You can try and tell yourself he wasnt and we made him and all that other bullshit all you like.  Rick you say relaseing him would have been "terrify him" Maybe they should have  1. Taken him a railway track and beaten him to death after blinding him with paint. 2. Abused the fuck out him and took pictures.  See how scared the poor little mite is then. My only hope in all this is the poor parents dont get dragged into it again i think they have suffered more than anyone ever should.  With any luck the dad will do what he should have done a long time ago and track them down and butcher them, make no mistake about it someone did that to my boy i would have no problem killing them nice and slowly and as painfully as possible doubtful i would have cared how old they where or not. Quoting this brilliant "Daily Mail" parody post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Quagmire Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 There really are some bizarre people in the world aren't there. I'd like to think that if I had kids and god forbid something as horrific as the Jamie Bulger situation happened to mine, I would have the level headedness to grieve like any parent would, but have the stability to be able to understand the true disturbed mind of this kid and that prison would solve nothing but would in fact make things worse. I'm not a psychopath. I don't look at heinous crimes and say "public hanging, that's all they're good for" (although I used to hold this view before I came to the realisation how stupid it was), I look at heinous crimes and wonder what really lead to them. Nobody is born evil, and if you believe that then you can't be right in the head. Some crimes you just cannot explain, but locking people up and throwing away the key, or public execution do nothing to understand the causes of such extreme crimes.  Yeah, about that...  To actually add to the topic, this is pretty much how I feel. I wanted Teh Press to be wrong about this, but unfortunately it was true. The whole affair's a massive victory for the torch & pitchfork mob, and it just goes to show that there's really no escaping that if you're locked up early enough and for long enough your adult life will end up skewed away from society's norms, no matter how hard you try to live to them. Not that there's any particular interest but exactly how Venables came to be like this really should be investigated. It's the only way any progress can be made from plain incarceration to actual rehabilitation. Seems that the Sunday Mirror was the newspaper that was either spot-on or as close as possible to the reason Venables was recalled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Has Thompson re-offended yet? Neither of them should have been given the opportunity to do so in the first place. Â The money and time spent in giving these two a life after what they did was ridiculous. Â They should have been kept in prison for the rest of their natural lives in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators neil Posted June 22, 2010 Moderators Share Posted June 22, 2010 The money and time spent in giving these two a life after what they did was ridiculous. They should have been kept in prison for the rest of their natural lives in my opinion. Bit of a contradiction there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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