Casey V Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 You cite that a human girl behaved like a dog because she was raised by dogs - so why dont dogs raised by humans act like us? Sorry chuck, but if you want to make an objective argument then it cant contradict itself. You are joking aren't you? Â Nope - I'm stating that something is what it is. You can teach a human to act like a dog, but it doesnt change the fact they're human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 You are joking aren't you? He may have a point actually. Â I'm sure I saw a few dogs impersonating human females the last time I was up at Pittodrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 As I'm typing on a PS3 I cant address all of Mikes points so I'll just go for the throat. You cite that a human girl behaved like a dog because she was raised by dogs - so why dont dogs raised by humans act like us? Sorry chuck, but if you want to make an objective argument then it cant contradict itself.  I'm not sure you'd recognise an objective argument if it was fucking your mother whilst taking it up the shitter from your dad. Your whole schtick in this thread has been to advocate the "nature" as opposed to "nurture" argument, but you've done it so badly I don't think you'd even get a C on a GCSE question about heritability. If you're going to run the better-than-you gimmick on here, you're going to need to up your game considerably. And I should know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JLM Posted June 23, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 23, 2010 You cite that a human girl behaved like a dog because she was raised by dogs - so why dont dogs raised by humans act like us? Sorry chuck, but if you want to make an objective argument then it cant contradict itself. You are joking aren't you? Â Nope - I'm stating that something is what it is. You can teach a human to act like a dog, but it doesnt change the fact they're human. Â You're still not making sense though. The two aren't equivalent at all. Dead Mike gave an example of a human being's behaviour pattern being absolutely moulded by her environment. Would you contend that this girl was genetically predisposed to act like a dog and would have done so anyway if raised by human parents? Â Fine, dogs raised by humans don't act like humans, but why that means anything in this instance is beyond me. A dog doesn't have the intelligence, physical attributes or mental capacity to completely mimic human behaviour, but the fact that humans essentially invented domestic animals and have altered animal behaviour to a staggering degree through nurture and training only further supports Dead Mike's point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members martyngnr Posted June 23, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 23, 2010 You are joking aren't you? He may have a point actually. Â I'm sure I saw a few dogs impersonating human females the last time I was up at Pittodrie MEGA-ZING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey V Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Don't be cute David. Even with the sheer levels of idiocy I've witnessed on this thread, I'm sure no one thinks I meant that Goofy is strolling around somewhere in a little hat. Â The fact of the matter is that people are born based on a certain genetic template both mentally and physically, and outside influence can vary or modify it but never outright CHANGE it. As a trainer, I can tell you that you could give two people the exact same program to perform, have them execute it in the exact same way whilst eating the exact same things - and get two completely different sets of results, and the mind is no different. I'll add that I was getting hardons looking at womens underwear in my mums Grattans catalogue when I was 9 - I didn't need sex education to tell me why those women excited me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey V Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Don't be cute David. Even with the sheer levels of idiocy I've witnessed on this thread, I'm sure no one thinks I meant that Goofy is strolling around somewhere in a little hat. Â Read the responses - I gave them too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Don't be cute David. I used something you said to have a playful dig at Martyn's football team and their supporters. Â Calm the fuck down man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted June 23, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 23, 2010 I was going to type a response but after this blinder... Â so why dont dogs raised by humans act like us? There's nothing I could possibly type to reaffirm my point. To surmise.... your psyche game is weak yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey V Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 I was going to type a response but after this blinder... so why dont dogs raised by humans act like us? There's nothing I could possibly type to reaffirm my point. To surmise.... your psyche game is weak yo.  'I'll ignore the fact he later elaborated this point and make a strawman instead, and hopefully he won't notice I'm out of comebacks' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cum Doctor Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Don't be cute David. I used something you said to have a playful dig at Martyn's football team and their supporters. Â Calm the fuck down man. Â Must be roid rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted June 23, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 23, 2010 Fair enough, what is your point Casey? Nature or Nurture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JLM Posted June 23, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 23, 2010 Why is it you can make a man out of straw but you can't make straw out of a man? Hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ReturnOfTheMack Posted June 23, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted June 23, 2010 From what I had read up until recently science still believes that nature plays a part, its not entirely nurture. But in light of Casey V I'd like to abandon any kind of association of any nature argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey V Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Fair enough, what is your point Casey? Nature or Nurture? Â Honestly? Â Alot of column A, less of column B. I'm not going to argue that to an extent people and animals can be influenced and shaped by the world around them, but nature will always have the final say. Â Those two kids killed that infant knowing full well what they were doing - sorry, but somehow I don't think that anyone can hear a child screaming in agony for mummy as they are blinded, beaten and broken, and not see the inherent darkness in what they are doing unless being specifically educated on the matter. If education was the sole reason for human morality, then we'd have all butchered one another long, long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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