Nazis! But with excellent facilities

[Frankie Crisp]

Okay, I was going to go with 'Talented twats' or 'Likeable cunts', but this place has enough Google search history to deal with.

This is about people who are absolutely brilliant at what they do... but are just awful human beings. Like that bloke in the cafe who gives you the best fry-up ever after wiping snot on his wrist. This is about talented, awful people and why they are, er, talented.

I’ll kick it off with Luis Suarez. 

Horrible. Just horrible. The racism, the biting, the inability to understand that there are always cameras on him when he tries the racism and biting.

But.

He was and is just unbelievable at what he does. He came into the Premier League relatively quietly as it was the same window as the Torres/Carroll fiasco. First touch, second touch, vision and finishing. He'd do things on a whim that others couldn't even imagine.

His 2013/14 season is the single best PL season anyone has ever had. Unplayable. It pained me to appreciate someone so unlikeable.

Norwich fans must hate him.

I'll let someone else do John Lennon.

NOTE: don't bore everyone with why you don't like those mentioned in someone else's post. Just pick your own.

[SuperBacon]

Kanye West.

His early production is some of the best that the 00s brought with a really unique,  creative sound, he's clearly an incredibly talented guy, but he is an absolute nobhead.

This is a masterpiece.

 

[Rockbus2]

Kanye West. We all know all the reasons he's a horrible dumpster fire of a human being, and it's not even most of his self indulgent nonsense that puts him into this catagory for me. 

It's simply Yeezus. It's an album of such perfection, pushing boundaries in a way that takes rap into a punk rock ethic I don't think anyone else has ever managed. 

[d-d-d-dAz]

I love The Smiths.

I fucking love them.

They're on my Mount Rushmore of music, alongside The Beatles, Radiohead and Tom Waits.

I still listen to them all the time. It's perfect. They're the perfect band. They split up before they got shit. Every tune is razor tight, the aesthetic is perfect, the artwork immaculate. What a band. I couldn't live without them, and they helped get me through so much as a kid.

And yet. AND YET. Morrissey is just the absolute fucking worst. A thundercunt. A fucking repugnant idiot who I don't even think is an actual racist, just an arrogant contrarian who likes provoking people. Fucking twat.

I'm covered in tattoos and it's just by dumb luck that I never got round to a Smiths tattoo, which I'd currently be massively regretting.

[Merzbow]

39 minutes ago, Rockbus2 said:

Kanye West. We all know all the reasons he's a horrible dumpster fire of a human being, and it's not even most of his self indulgent nonsense that puts him into this catagory for me. 

It's simply Yeezus. It's an album of such perfection, pushing boundaries in a way that takes rap into a punk rock ethic I don't think anyone else has ever managed. 

Death Grips.

Edited September 13 by Merzbow

[d-d-d-dAz]

2 minutes ago, SuperBacon said:

Kanye West.

His early production is some of the best that the 00s brought with a really unique,  creative sound, he's clearly an incredibly talented guy, but he is an absolute nobhead.

This is a masterpiece.

 

Oh God, another one. Incredible shout.

Yeezus is an incredible record. Where Twisted Fantasy was a maximalist masterpiece, Yeezus was this unique form of insane minimalist genius. I love both, but think I prefer Yeezus.

It's so angry, vicious and aggressive but with this real sense of humour. I love that album so much. Kanye isn't far off pushing for a space on my Mount Rushmore, and yeah he's another wrong-un.

Fuck sake.

[Mr_Danger]

51 minutes ago, SuperBacon said:

Kanye West.

His early production is some of the best that the 00s brought with a really unique,  creative sound, he's clearly an incredibly talented guy, but he is an absolute nobhead.

This is a masterpiece.

 

The fucking ridiculousness of the opening lyrics set to that piano tune is the most Kanye thing ever.  I love this song.

 

[Chili]

1 hour ago, d-d-d-dAz said:

I love The Smiths.

I fucking love them.

They're on my Mount Rushmore of music, alongside The Beatles, Radiohead and Tom Waits.

I still listen to them all the time. It's perfect. They're the perfect band. They split up before they got shit. Every tune is razor tight, the aesthetic is perfect, the artwork immaculate. What a band. I couldn't live without them, and they helped get me through so much as a kid.

And yet. AND YET. Morrissey is just the absolute fucking worst. A thundercunt. A fucking repugnant idiot who I don't even think is an actual racist, just an arrogant contrarian who likes provoking people. Fucking twat.

I'm covered in tattoos and it's just by dumb luck that I never got round to a Smiths tattoo, which I'd currently be massively regretting.

I'm the same here with The Smiths. I think they're so fucking good. Just a great output of records and like any proper good band, lovely b-sides. But him... HIM. He's such an incredibly dislikeable shithead and I've met a lot of his fans in Manchester in pubs etc, and I just wonder why they still bother or more, how good their gymnastics skills are justifing any of the hokum and nonsense he comes out with. He's almost a cult of personality, if The Smiths never happened and Johnny Marr just couldn't be bothered knocking round his gaff I do wonder what would have become of Morrissey. 

[Hannibal Scorch]

Pharrell. Now in the twat stakes not in the same league as Kanye or Morrissey, but you have to understand how important The Neptunes and N.E.R.D are to my life. I wouldn’t be married for a start. And some of the best years of my life were spent with Neptune productions. 
 

But stabbing your childhood best mate in the back is awful. https://pitchfork.com/news/chad-hugo-accuses-pharrell-williams-of-seeking-control-of-the-neptunes-name-in-new-legal-filings-but-williams-disputes-the-claims/
 

Also Di Canio. Great footballer, absolute prick of a human.

[The Gaffer]

Varg 'Don't Call Him Kristian' Vikermice From Mars, now going under the moniker Louis Cachet and presumably hiding out somewhere in the south of France whilst preparing for the end of the world and making shitty tabletop RPGs.

Better known as Burzum, a man whose tongue's never been found anywhere near his cheek so the below photo is deathly serious business:

In a way he's sort of like the ultimate progenitor of the current "Well you just can't trust any of the research so I went and done my own" wave. Name a pseudoscientific race theory that's wrapped up in weird ethno-nationalist fetishism and he's probably vlogged on it. The lad's led a colourful life. Well...mostly monochrome, but with the occasional bit of sunburst if there was a matchbook and an old wooden church lying around that was built on the burial sites of one of his definitely-descended-from Norse warriors. 

As the final boss of "I took Venom seriously and ignored all the bits about J.R.R. Tolkien being a practicing Catholic" Norwegian black metal he's still to this day got plenty of admirers. There's probably a few around you at any metal show. They're even apparently proper leftist in all other areas of life, but maybe he was misunderstood or something. Mystique is a production line for cognitive dissonance. 

A good Burzum t-shirt is up there with Cradle of Filth's Vestal Masturbation (NSFW, if you're curious) t-shirt as the edge-lord acces - 

 

But. 

But. 

Whilst I'd never access his music through legal means to give the guy whatever euros he's short to make a new instrument probably called a lutewaffe, there's absolutely no denying for me that on his day the guy had an unbelievable work ethic, drive and internal sense of composition, aesthetic and texture to nail down track after track of atmospheric black metal classics in a short few years (the Fisher-Price prison synth music is shite).

If you're not into the genre it's pointless me selling it - and that's not what the thread's about anyway - but if you are I think it's easy to forget the impact some of this stuff had now that a lot of its style conventions have become oft-repeated and forced to the point of...well...pointlessness. 

Whatever this music is and whatever you think of it, he was able to codify and encapsulate it in no time at all as a one man project:

 

 

Nazi, but with excellent facilities once upon a time. 

And if you're in any doubt as to my stance based on all the above, absolutely fuck him. The only thing I'm romanticising here is the sonics. 

[Cousin Jim Bob]

The more I learn about Prince the more depressing it gets. For all his genius as a musician he was seemingly a total scumbag to pretty much everyone he came in contact with.

[Chili]

19 minutes ago, Cousin Jim Bob said:

The more I learn about Prince the more depressing it gets. For all his genius as a musician he was seemingly a total scumbag to pretty much everyone he came in contact with.

Go on, this is news to me. I hear stories of him just being very above people and a bit odd, plus the jehova thing ha.

[Cousin Jim Bob]

17 minutes ago, Chili said:

Go on, this is news to me. I hear stories of him just being very above people and a bit odd, plus the jehova thing ha.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/08/magazine/prince-netflix-ezra-edelman-documentary.html?unlocked_article_code=1.JE4.VC_A.oj-rZ872vsPB

 

Long article there which covers some of the domestic violence, homophobia, grooming etc.

[Chili]

Felt a trifle odd liking that post but you get the point, cheers.

[wordsfromlee]

1 hour ago, The Gaffer said:

Varg 'Don't Call Him Kristian' Vikermice From Mars, now going under the moniker Louis Cachet and presumably hiding out somewhere in the south of France whilst preparing for the end of the world and making shitty tabletop RPGs.

Better known as Burzum, a man whose tongue's never been found anywhere near his cheek so the below photo is deathly serious business:

In a way he's sort of like the ultimate progenitor of the current "Well you just can't trust any of the research so I went and done my own" wave. Name a pseudoscientific race theory that's wrapped up in weird ethno-nationalist fetishism and he's probably vlogged on it. The lad's led a colourful life. Well...mostly monochrome, but with the occasional bit of sunburst if there was a matchbook and an old wooden church lying around that was built on the burial sites of one of his definitely-descended-from Norse warriors. 

As the final boss of "I took Venom seriously and ignored all the bits about J.R.R. Tolkien being a practicing Catholic" Norwegian black metal he's still to this day got plenty of admirers. There's probably a few around you at any metal show. They're even apparently proper leftist in all other areas of life, but maybe he was misunderstood or something. Mystique is a production line for cognitive dissonance. 

A good Burzum t-shirt is up there with Cradle of Filth's Vestal Masturbation (NSFW, if you're curious) t-shirt as the edge-lord acces - 

 

But. 

But. 

Whilst I'd never access his music through legal means to give the guy whatever euros he's short to make a new instrument probably called a lutewaffe, there's absolutely no denying for me that on his day the guy had an unbelievable work ethic, drive and internal sense of composition, aesthetic and texture to nail down track after track of atmospheric black metal classics in a short few years (the Fisher-Price prison synth music is shite).

If you're not into the genre it's pointless me selling it - and that's not what the thread's about anyway - but if you are I think it's easy to forget the impact some of this stuff had now that a lot of its style conventions have become oft-repeated and forced to the point of...well...pointlessness. 

Whatever this music is and whatever you think of it, he was able to codify and encapsulate it in no time at all as a one man project:

 

 

Nazi, but with excellent facilities once upon a time. 

And if you're in any doubt as to my stance based on all the above, absolutely fuck him. The only thing I'm romanticising here is the sonics. 

Don't forget the whole, you know, murdering a guy by stabbing him 23 times thing too.

I remember a time when Burzum t-shirts became quite popular in the mid-00 "scene" days due to Skrillex wearing one quite often back in his 'MySpace King of the Emos' phase.

Also,