Members SuperBacon Posted October 21 Members Share Posted October 21 18 minutes ago, d-d-d-dAz said: That's an absolutely exceptional piece of work 👏 I've actually fucked it up as the phrase is Then, Now, Forever (TIL) so Then, Now Then, Forever works better but I can't edit it now as I'd become everything I hate 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted October 22 Paid Members Share Posted October 22 17 hours ago, SuperBacon said: Now Then. Now Then. Forever. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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d-d-d-dAz Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 12 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: 'Happy' is the wrong word, but I'm happy this has come back up. Now is definitely the right time to revisit the allegations, given how we've moved forward culturally. From what I know of the case, it never felt like it was ever brought to a meaningful conclusion. It's also exactly the sort of thing the media should be focusing on. If there's criminality, pin the bastards to the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe_Knuckleball_Schwartz Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 I hope the family of Ashley Massaro are next and it brings some justice and possibly comfort to such a horrible situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted October 23 Paid Members Share Posted October 23 (edited) Never seen this before, fucking hell. Roddy Piper, clearly uncomfortable as hell, talking around how Pat Patterson doesn't like him, and it dating back to him being 15. https://x.com/burningg2003/status/1849166189974507801 Edited October 23 by Chris B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members unfitfinlay Posted October 24 Paid Members Share Posted October 24 12 hours ago, Chris B said: Never seen this before, fucking hell. Roddy Piper, clearly uncomfortable as hell, talking around how Pat Patterson doesn't like him, and it dating back to him being 15. https://x.com/burningg2003/status/1849166189974507801 For what it’s worth, Piper retracted this shortly after, angrily denied he’d implied anything dodgy went on and had a go at the “sick” people who believed he had. It was on his podcast, which all got deleted after he died unfortunately. This was during the strange period where he was doing mad shit like accusing Steve Austin of getting the podcast kicked off it’s hosting platform, which Austin seemed genuinely confused by. I think Meltzer pointed out that Piper wouldn’t have even met Patterson until they were in Portland, when he was already a big star and obviously older than 15. Patterson was clearly a wrong ‘un but I don’t buy that Piper was one of his victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted October 24 Paid Members Share Posted October 24 That's part of the problem with a lot of this shit, and that I think could really endanger the chances of a meaningful resolution should any of these cases go to court. It's like the steroid trial. It's going to rely on the testimony of professional wrestlers, and professional wrestlers, especially of that generation, are congenital liars. I love Roddy Piper, but by the end I honestly don't think he could tell reality from fiction any more. He was going down David Icke rabbit holes ("They Live was a documentary!"), and constantly either bullshitting or working angles that only made sense in his own head because he wasn't letting anyone else in on them. His second autobiography, that was finished by his kids after his death, does a good job at trying to unpick his versions of his life story apart and find the truth, because I don't think he knew what was true any more. He'd been lying his whole life, and I think there was a lot of trauma underneath all of it that he was running away from, as well as God knows how many concussions, years of substance abuse, and just generally not being a well man. And wrestling exacerbated all of that. Encouraged it, even. On the McMahon documentary, Tony Atlas was praised for speaking out about Pat Patterson abusing him, but in previous interviews he'd claimed Pat was never interested in him because Patterson didn't like black men. There's a ton of road stories in every wrestler's book and every shoot interview that are just old wrestlers laughing and joking about acts of abuse, harassment, bullying, and whatever else, in the name of "ribs" or "protecting the business" or "boys will be boys". If they're true, they're horrific. But it's equally likely that half of them are made up, and the wrestler telling the story thinks that's the sort of thing that people find funny, because that's still the culture that's been normalised around them. I think it's impossible to separate stories about Pat Patterson, in particular, from that world. Because he was a predator surrounded by other predators, only he stood out because he was gay. And "I didn't get a push because I rejected Pat Patterson" became a go-to line for wrestlers who felt they deserved a better push, whether it was true or not. Some of them probably even believed it. Some of them told those stories for years, then went on Legends' House with Pat, and acted amazed and sympathetic when he "came out" for a reality TV Capital M Moment, as if they hadn't all known and all been joking about it for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarlettChad Posted Thursday at 02:05 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:05 PM I can believe Piper was molested. He was raised by the business. Maybe he felt ashamed that Pat did something to him, Just because he was older than 15 doesn't make it right. If Pat did force himself on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TibBo Posted Thursday at 08:55 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:55 PM I knew it was gonna be from that Piper Timeline interview before I even clicked the link. The whole thing is pretty unwatchable. Not sure what Piper was on at the time or whether it was mental decline, but it is a sad watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Wretch Posted Friday at 07:53 AM Paid Members Share Posted Friday at 07:53 AM (edited) Piper's podcast was a sad listen which is why I infrequently listened at a time when I listened to every podcast going. My last memory of it is when having Bubba Ray Dudley on, Bubba is talking about Mae Young taking all those powerbombs when poor Roddy suddenly realises who he's talking to. He said something like "oh shit, man! I remember that, I remember you!" when they were already an hour or so into it. I can see why his family had the catalogue deleted after he died. Edited Friday at 08:00 AM by Wretch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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