Paid Members quote the raven Posted December 5, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 5, 2018 What a total utter mess. She has to quit at some point now? The government being found in contempt of Parliament, has that charge ever happened before? The options are so limited now. Hard brexit is going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 In all honesty, who the fuck would want to actually take the helm as PM now? It's turned into the political equivalent of the Man United job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted December 5, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, quote the raven said: What a total utter mess. She has to quit at some point now? The government being found in contempt of Parliament, has that charge ever happened before? The options are so limited now. Hard brexit is going to happen. That's the opposite of what's happening!?!? The Grieve amendment essentially means that if the PM's deal gets voted down next week then Brexit is in the control of Parliament. You think a 'No Deal' Brexit will get voted through? Not a chance in hell IMO. Aside from a handful of ERG headbangers there's literally no political will for it. The most likely result is a 2nd referendum or a Norway style arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted December 5, 2018 Awards Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2018 I just have this fear at the moment that it'll end up with a second referendum, and somehow Leave will still win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, HarmonicGenerator said: I just have this fear at the moment that it'll end up with a second referendum, and somehow Leave will still win. I have an even greater fear that there's a second referendum and remain wins it this time, because then we'll have a whole lot of angry as fuck people who (rightly) believe that the goalposts were shifted simply because the political elite didn't get their way the first time around. Also, we'll have a resurgent UKIP to look forward to, only this time it'll be Tommy fucking Robinson at the helm rather than Farage. What could possibly go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted December 5, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 5, 2018 Fuck those people. As long as London is OK. /Spurs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted December 5, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 5, 2018 Last year, I got 4/1 on there being No Deal by March the whatever it is, so I hope hop it keeps fucking up til then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted December 5, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 5, 2018 51 minutes ago, David said: I have an even greater fear that there's a second referendum and remain wins it this time, because then we'll have a whole lot of angry as fuck people who (rightly) believe that the goalposts were shifted simply because the political elite didn't get their way the first time around. Also, we'll have a resurgent UKIP to look forward to, only this time it'll be Tommy fucking Robinson at the helm rather than Farage. What could possibly go wrong? UKIP might even get an MP!.....exciting times. However, this time they wont be able to claim 'Get us out of the EU & everything will be better' as we've seen the UKIP lies disintegrate before our eyes. Every time one of them pipes up, unless they've a viable exit strategy that doesn't crash the economy & honours the Good Friday agreement then they can get back in their box. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Dead Mike said: UKIP might even get an MP!.....exciting times. However, this time they wont be able to claim 'Get us out of the EU & everything will be better' as we've seen the UKIP lies disintegrate before our eyes. Every time one of them pipes up, unless they've a viable exit strategy that doesn't crash the economy & honours the Good Friday agreement then they can get back in their box. Yeah, I don't think that's the direction they're moving in to be honest. I think they've changed direction quite a bit in recent times, and reckon they'll be more focused on the agitation and whipping up of the not-inconsiderable number of people who'll be pissed off that their democratic vote could essentially be pissed all over by politicians and people they see as "smug lefties." If there's one thing that Nigel Farage is, it's smart. He's not an idiot, not by a long shot, and when even he's getting to fuck out of dodge it suggests that something stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members quote the raven Posted December 5, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dead Mike said: That's the opposite of what's happening!?!? The Grieve amendment essentially means that if the PM's deal gets voted down next week then Brexit is in the control of Parliament. You think a 'No Deal' Brexit will get voted through? Not a chance in hell IMO. Aside from a handful of ERG headbangers there's literally no political will for it. The most likely result is a 2nd referendum or a Norway style arrangement. The Eu has said that’s it, no more deals this is as good as you get. Both labour and the Tories have said they have no wish to hold a second vote. Tick tock the deadline is coming... what other choice is there? We have no room to get a better deal and the current one is unacceptable.  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/dec/05/brexit-debate-pmqs-legal-advice-may-corbyn-government-to-publish-full-legal-advice-at-around-1130am-politics-live?page=with:block-5c079386e4b04e8ca09232de#block-5c079386e4b04e8ca09232de have a look at that. Edited December 5, 2018 by quote the raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted December 5, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, quote the raven said: The Eu has said that’s it, no more deals this is as good as you get. Both labour and the Tories have said they have no wish to hold a second vote. Tick tock the deadline is coming... what other choice is there? We have no room to get a better deal and the current one is unacceptable.  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/dec/05/brexit-debate-pmqs-legal-advice-may-corbyn-government-to-publish-full-legal-advice-at-around-1130am-politics-live?page=with:block-5c079386e4b04e8ca09232de#block-5c079386e4b04e8ca09232de have a look at that. I'm aware of this. It's either the PM's deal or we apply to extend A50 or take one of the 5 (or 6?) deals already offered to us that didn't meet Theresa May's 'red lines' (which are now essentially redundant). If the PM's deal doesn't pass I'm expecting Parliament to approve a Norway type deal (that's already been offered). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members quote the raven Posted December 5, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 5, 2018 The issues with approving the redline deals is it more or less goes against the wishes of those that voted leave. A Norway deal wouldn’t be very popular at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted December 5, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 5, 2018 How do you know what the wishes of those who voted to leave are? As far as I know one of the key issues here is that no-one knows or has bothered to find out, and in a lot of cases even the people who voted to leave don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted December 5, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, quote the raven said: The issues with approving the redline deals is it more or less goes against the wishes of those that voted leave. A Norway deal wouldn’t be very popular at all. Doesn't matter. A Norway deal legally removes us from the EU next March. That's the referendum honoured. Anyone claiming they voted for something different (Canada+, total removal from all EU institutions etc) needs to ask themselves who promised them that & why did they believe them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PunkStep Posted December 5, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, David said: If there's one thing that Nigel Farage is, it's smart. He's not an idiot, not by a long shot, and when even he's getting to fuck out of dodge it suggests that something stinks. Yeah, this. If Farage is saying in public that UKIP are becoming obsessed with Islam in general (the appointment of Yaxley-Lennon fuels this), then you know it's pretty bad and quite clear which direction they are headed. They are slowly morphing into Britain First (the undertones were there anyway) and sadly this will appeal to parts of the country and stir them up even more. I think the rise of the far right is far from slowing down. Edited December 5, 2018 by PunkStep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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