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3 hours ago, Gus Mears said:

John Bercow pontificating about 'decency and respect in a workplace setting' was ultra-farce.

That bit wasn't a farce.  One of the most worrying things about May's leadership is the desperately un-parliamentary nature of her attempts to push Brexit through.  She could, and should, have set up a cross-bench working group to thrash out the requirements of a deal that enough MPs would get behind.  But no - at every turn he and her whips have tried to get around the sovereignty of the House, by evading, withdrawing, and also outright lying to their OWN MPS, just to survive another day, another week.

Despite what the public generally believe, a great deal of good work is done in Parliament by MPs of all different parties working together, and there are long-standing conventions and understandings that allow the place to actually function vaguely smoothly.  May has chopped away at this and done a great deal of damage to the system.

Hence the extremely unusual rebuke from Bercow.  He represents the Commons, and Parliament generally, an institution whose authority supersedes any PM or Cabinet, and he is rightly furious with the lot of them.  A whole bunch of stuff will now need to be formalised by Parliament to stop other Prime Ministers running roughshod like this, and as you can see with the US system, often formalising conventions stifles the flexibility required to get laws made.

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16 minutes ago, Loki said:

That bit wasn't a farce.  One of the most worrying things about May's leadership is the desperately un-parliamentary nature of her attempts to push Brexit through.  She could, and should, have set up a cross-bench working group to thrash out the requirements of a deal that enough MPs would get behind.  But no - at every turn he and her whips have tried to get around the sovereignty of the House, by evading, withdrawing, and also outright lying to their OWN MPS, just to survive another day, another week.

Despite what the public generally believe, a great deal of good work is done in Parliament by MPs of all different parties working together, and there are long-standing conventions and understandings that allow the place to actually function vaguely smoothly.  May has chopped away at this and done a great deal of damage to the system.

Hence the extremely unusual rebuke from Bercow.  He represents the Commons, and Parliament generally, an institution whose authority supersedes any PM or Cabinet, and he is rightly furious with the lot of them.  A whole bunch of stuff will now need to be formalised by Parliament to stop other Prime Ministers running roughshod like this, and as you can see with the US system, often formalising conventions stifles the flexibility required to get laws made.

This wasn't what I was getting at to be honest. It was about John Bercow lecturing about discourtesy and respect after stonewalling investigations into his bullying of Parliamentary staff. The content of what he said earlier was entirely accurate, but I find it somewhat absurd that he is saying it. 

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1 minute ago, Keith Houchen said:

I wonder if she will give a shit when she is made to fuck off, she made it to being PM and that’s all she cares about. Same as all the other Tory cunts circling the carcass. Johnson in particular. 

I fucking hate tories. 

I can't imagine Tories even being friends with Tories, because they're always trying to fuck each other over for a better job. It's all a power play, none of them are even slightly interested in making this a better country. They just want to be Prime Minister. 

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4 minutes ago, MungoChutney said:

Sympathy for Theresa May? No. Sympathy for families pushed into using food banks by her party's policies? Absolutely. 

Would Garth make a better Prime Minister?  Quite possibly.  Although May would make his team of the week.

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And another kick as Corbyn says "hang on, we agreed a timetable - you can't just back out now"... debate tomorrow

what happens with this one god only knows - 2nd contempt of parliament or force the vote to go ahead? (don't really see what will be achieved other than turning the screws a bit more)

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