Really Big Shoe Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Interesting but contradictory articles about Vegan Leather here https://eluxemagazine.com/magazine/what-the-heck-is-veg https://www.vocativ.com/news/281599/vegan-leather-isnt-as-ethical-as-you-think/index.html which are in contrast to what Peta says that how it's produced is not harmful to the environment https://www.peta.org/living/personal-care-fashion/what-is-vegan-leather/   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted October 2, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 2, 2018 PETA are a bunch of cunts. Blamed milk for causing Autism last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Really Big Shoe Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Seems they are deflecting factual truths about the impact the production of the leather to fit their own agenda here too. I'm totally against animal testing, using animals for their skins and fur, animal cruelty, raising animals in cramped squalid conditions (battery hens etc) among other things but the whole "meat is murder" rhetoric is too much & chucking paint over people. I don't eat meat but I don't judge those who do. In my opinion Peta are force their views down peoples throats and villianise those who don't abide with their points of view. I also think they give a bad name to those who genuinely care about animals welfare since they are on the extreme end of the scale. They should get more involved in stopping the hunting of elephants for ivory, rhinos for their horn, eliminating the hunting of animals for wealthy folks to take a tacky selfie with their "kill", stopping the illegal importation of exotic animals and help endangered animals. These are real important issues they should be focusing on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted October 2, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Yeah, when in doubt and when they contradict with other sources assume PETA is full of shit. I remember Penn & Teller did an episode on PETA that was quite revealing at the time. I feel like their reputation had slipped considerably since then and more people recognise their agenda now (Peta, obviously, not p&t). Edited October 2, 2018 by Chest Rockwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Carbomb said: Question: meat, I understand, but what's the barrier to using leather from cows that might have died from natural causes? Initial thoughts are that it'd be something to do with quality, but I don't know for certain, and I'd be interested to know what the vegan position is on that. The leather industry doesn’t use cows that have died of natural causes, cows are supposed to live about 20 years. I don’t view animals as a commodity to be used, so even a byproduct is still supporting an industry I don’t agree with. Obviously leather lasts a lot longer than a steak, so me throwing away anything I bought a long time ago won’t help anything but using it will make me feel uncomfortable if I wear it. PETA have done a lot of questionable things, but no where near as bad as the industries they are opposing. I don’t really understand how anyone could argue that meat isn’t murder though. Edited October 2, 2018 by UK Kat Von D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Hannibal Scorch said: PETA are a bunch of cunts. Blamed milk for causing Autism last year Hadn’t heard of this so I checked it. I don’t think you summed up their article very well. https://www.peta.org/features/got-autism-learn-link-dairy-products-disease/  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted October 2, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, UK Kat Von D said: Hadn’t heard of this so I checked it. I don’t think you summed up their article very well. https://www.peta.org/features/got-autism-learn-link-dairy-products-disease/  it was a click bait tweet, with the image which caused the initial uproar, but this explains it more. Regardless, PETA have history with bullshit for headlines https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/this-peta-advert-linking-milk-to-autism-has-caused-outrage-for-obvious-reasons/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted October 2, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) The article is nonsense and there's no scientific basis whatsoever, but you saying they claimed milk causes autism is just plain false. They do enough stupid and awful things that you don't need to lie and undermine your whole point. So no, not 'regardless'. Edited October 2, 2018 by Chest Rockwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted October 2, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 2, 2018 From what I understand, PETA work a weird long game, in that they largely know a lot of their marketing schemes are just shock tactics and largely bollocks, but the risk of being targeted by a PETA campaign causes a lot of companies to proactively consider their actions ahead of time. The general public aren't the target of their campaigns so much, even though that's who they're ostensibly aimed at.  A few companies did offer "slaughter free leather", from cows that died naturally rather than being killed for their meat, but it's always been priced prohibitively high due to it being such a niche product. There's also apparently a couple of places that do "lab-grown" leather from cow cells, which I can only imagine - if it's even made it to market - costs a fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Yeah, PETA are wankers but there is a lot of stuff they've done that can be used to emphasise the point without resorting to stuff they haven't done to emphasise the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Bifkin Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 What do vegans feed their cats/dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 47 minutes ago, Guy Bifkin said: What do vegans feed their cats/dogs? Pretty sure most dogs are able to eat vegan but cats shouldn’t. Haven’t really looked into it because I don’t own a pet, morally there is a clear difference between an animal who needs to eat meat to survive and humans who choose to eat meat for no valid reason. When it comes to Veganism, getting animals from breeders is a hot topic. No need to buy pets from breeders when animals are in shelters looking for homes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted October 2, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted October 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Chest Rockwell said: The article is nonsense and there's no scientific basis whatsoever, but you saying they claimed milk causes autism is just plain false. They do enough stupid and awful things that you don't need to lie and undermine your whole point. So no, not 'regardless'. I couldn’t find the tweet they sent last year which I based it from. However, no Autism organisation or pediatrician , reputable at least, suggests a dairy free diet would help someone with autism. And as someone with a severely autistic child, we’ve looked at, and discussed various dietary options and there is no diet that helps. So yes, my earlier statement was wrong, but PETA are still making up bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator Onyx2 Posted October 2, 2018 Awards Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2018 Ah Max you came to Camden at the wrong weekend! Look what's happening http://sut5.co.uk/l/c.php?c=26265&ct=1965323&si=61372392  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: I couldn’t find the tweet they sent last year which I based it from. However, no Autism organisation or pediatrician , reputable at least, suggests a dairy free diet would help someone with autism. And as someone with a severely autistic child, we’ve looked at, and discussed various dietary options and there is no diet that helps. So yes, my earlier statement was wrong, but PETA are still making up bollocks The tweet looks to be shown is the article you posted. The PETA article clearly says it’s mostly parents sharing their own personal stories and that focused research needs to be done. I assume that would be information shared on specialist forums for parents to talk amoungst each other. I understand it must be a very personal subject so obviously you don’t need to answer, but have you only looked at and discussed dietary effects or have you atctually tried them out in practice? The PETA article I posted only says it could help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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