Paid Members garynysmon Posted January 13, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 13, 2017 But in the case of wrestling, it was brought back to life by Eric Bischoff in the 90s, it was then revived even further by Vince Russo and rather than allowing another young person with fresh ideas to take the reigns, McMahon not only put WCW out of business but he turned his own show which was drawing huge numbers back into an old carny wrestling show and the numbers went down and for the past 15 years they have continued to go down.But surely the Attitude Era did more to harm the industry in the long run? You can't spunk away so much content in a two hour show for infinate period of time before its run out lf steam.You're not the only person harking back to that period. Heck, even the WWE does it now, "Do you remember when wrestling was good and DX invaded the CNN building?" But it was a product of its time. It wouldn't work now, society has moved on. Wrestling as a genre isn't dead and what the WWE does now needn't be representative of the industry as a whole. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieg1980 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I've watched for 30 years, I'm lucky if I could sit here and name 10 matches to you that I remembered. Â Â That's just utter shite really isn't it? A quote from you to justify your nihilist view of the product today. If your such a lapsed fan why do you spend your time preaching about it and telling us the end is near for the business like one of those religious whackos on the street. Â Surely you don't have time to write all this guff?, Surely your family is missing out on some proper quality time with you or do you practice these little speeches on them before you post? Â Do me a favour, go back in your 30 years watching and dig out your top ten matches ever. It should be very easy and I am genuinely interested what you choose. If you can't, then sure Scotswizard's top ten moments that changed the wrestling biz and should be done again dammit would be enough. Try to keep the sentences down though, we don't need a why because we should already know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 It might not be shit. He seems to forget every time someone tells him not to post long posts. Sometimes he even forgets his own opinions half way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrasslin Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 How convinced are we he's not just an infinite amount of monkeys on typewriters who have through random chance managed to create the works of a Scottish lunatic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotswizard Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017  But in the case of wrestling, it was brought back to life by Eric Bischoff in the 90s, it was then revived even further by Vince Russo and rather than allowing another young person with fresh ideas to take the reigns, McMahon not only put WCW out of business but he turned his own show which was drawing huge numbers back into an old carny wrestling show and the numbers went down and for the past 15 years they have continued to go down.But surely the Attitude Era did more to harm the industry in the long run? You can't spunk away so much content in a two hour show for infinate period of time before its run out lf steam.You're not the only person harking back to that period. Heck, even the WWE does it now, "Do you remember when wrestling was good and DX invaded the CNN building?" But it was a product of its time. It wouldn't work now, society has moved on. Wrestling as a genre isn't dead and what the WWE does now needn't be representative of the industry as a whole. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.    What they should have done, once it started running out of steam in 2001, and why wouldn't it since they put WCW out of business, Vince McMahon should have been smart enough to realise that the success they had for those 5 years, those high ratings, house shows sold out, TV sold out, PPV buyrates are high, everyone making record money that maybe rather than going back to WHAT THEY KNOW, maybe try and get another Russo involved, someone else with new ideas but of course McMahon can't do that because doing that means admitting his way of doing things is wrong and that's what we have now, plain vanilla wrestling, stuff from the 1970s and quite rightly people have turned off, even the Sky Sports ratings are down.   WCW's business being bad until Bischoff came along was no accident. The WWF almost closing it's doors around the same time frame is no accident. America made it clear in the early 90s they were done with wrestling. The act was old. Fake fighting was old. We're not interested anymore and then Bischoff and then Russo found a new way of presenting it, a way that was exciting and in a way that people wanted to watch it, they wanted to see it week to week and when WCW went out of business and Vince McMahon went back to what he knew, the audience left again. Went from 10 million on Monday nights down to 2.7 million and it's still going down. America has once again said nope.......we're still not interested in fake fighting. And Vince McMahon is in his 70s, all the real legends are either dead or retired. Wrestling will never be popular again. It's done. It's over with. And most of you follow indy wrestling here. You know the crowds that go. It's never been big. So when the biggest company in the world is drawing less than 5000 fans for their house shows what chance have the indys got? It's finished, it'll always be on TV in some form and there will always be local companies keeping the tradition alive but the best days are long gone and that's all there is to it.   Society has moved on. People are not interested in watching cookie cutter vanilla wrestling that looks so hokey and not real. And Russo did make a good point today. Look at Stephanie McMahon on Raw when The Undertaker comes out. Her facial expressions are selling it like he's a real dead person! Like he's actually scary. That's the wrestling bubble. They wont see an issue with that. Wrestling fans wont see an issue with that but for everyone else, they laugh at that, they look at that and say oh come on, fake wrestling again and they laugh and change the channel and that's one thing. I could write a page full of things on just one episode of WWE programming. Stuff that people in the REAL WORLD just sit and laugh at and they laugh at you. They laugh at fans. They ridicule people. In America that's on TV at night time and that's the wrestling bubble for you. When the employees and fans are so wrapped up in this make believe world they don't realise how embaressing it is to the rest of the world. They don't have a clue how it comes across and that's why wrestling fans get laughed at and ridiculed and you know what? Wrestling fans wont see a problem with it. If I had the chance to speak to Stephanie or Vince McMahon I bet you they wouldn't find that funny or embaressing, they would probably think that was good. A 50 year old man in make up and a 40 year old woman pretending to be scared of him. They would keep a straight face.   And if you've read all that and you're still wrapped up in cotton wool inside the wrestling bubble, no doubt most of you pay for Sky or Virgin Media. Sit in one night. Sit in with your remote and your TV and between 8pm and 11pm have a flick through the channels, go through Sky One, Sky Atlantic, FOX, SyFy, E!, E4, go through them all and see what is on TV at that time. Sex. Violence. Drama. Comedy. Blood. Bad language. Taboo subjects. Go through the film channels. Go through the freeview ones, BBC2,3,4, ITV2,3,4 and when you've done that put WWE or TNA on you'll see the difference. What real people are watching at night. Prime time TV. TV that is smart and clever. Adult TV. Not a wrestling show aimed at kids. Adult TV. It's adults watching TV between 8pm and 11pm. The difference is clear as day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 "Look at Stephanie McMahon on Raw when The Undertaker comes out. Her facial expressions are selling it like he's a real dead person! Like he's actually scary." yeah she shoulda hit 'em with the slap instead. christ  all this time spent typing your gash posts could be better spent watching a sweary film that you actually like, or wankin off to some "actual women" and other Adult hobbies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrasslin Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 She's a middle aged mother and he is a near seven foot, heavily muscled man who has routinely beat up her and her family. I think it makes sense for her to be afraid of him if he's a 'zombie' or not right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieg1980 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I'd be tempted to intermittently edit that post with random bros and it really would sound like Russo with our man here as a ventriloquist's dummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PunkStep Posted January 13, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 13, 2017 If my wife or sister were faced with a man that abducted her when she was in her young adult years, I think they'd be scared at the sight of him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted January 13, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 13, 2017 You genuinely don't seem to understand that ratings have gone down for all TV across the board. WWE have found a way to monetize the people that do watch. We all understand that you don't like the PG nature of the current product. The attitude era is gone, and that isn't a bad thing. Less wrestlers are dying of the excesses of the business, no more unprotected chair shots to the head. You may not like where it's gone but wrestling couldn't keep going how it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted January 13, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 13, 2017 Funny, I watched Raw and thought that's the first time Steph has correctly sold for a wrestler in forever. How the fuck is there any other conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dart Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 People being scared of The Undertaker is completely unacceptable? Â But wrestling was amazing from 1985-2005 when stuff like that never happened of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ElCece Posted January 13, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 13, 2017 Scots Wizard's word per post must be some sort of forum record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted January 13, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 13, 2017 But his Cobblers Per Post Quotient is incredibly high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Benno Posted January 13, 2017 Paid Members Share Posted January 13, 2017 Meltzer will fall over himself to tell you UFC and other sports ratings are up, and worryingly the Raw and Smackdown ratings are down a higher percent than the average ratings are for USA Network as a whole, but Raw and Smackdown are almost always in the top 1-3 programmes for their night still, every week. Â TV rights fees and the Network are their biggest revenue streams by a wide margin and whilst the network is growing slower than they thought it would, most other metrics are reletively steady. Â The third hour of Raw is probably a big part of why the ratings decline has gotten so steep, but it's probably not a good time to tell the USA Network they're going to give them an hours less content so we're stuck with it. Â If anything, even if they get a worse deal on TV next time, they'll probably just up the Network price and start offering tiers. They'll probably just run more live events too. There might be slightly less of us, but there's loads of money to be made still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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