Paid Members herbie747 Posted July 19, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2016 That Lawler quote is odd because I've read and heard elsewhere that Fighters don't seem to think that exists. Where you can send in a supplement etc. Either that or its avaliable and people are getting unlucky like Silva with tainted supplements from equipment being used for varying supplements. Well he said it on July 6th Observer radio after Jones' failed test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted July 19, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2016 Here's a new article relating to Jones and his case.  http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/7/19/12221804/jon-jones-doping-case-what-we-know-so-far  In it, there's a part that mentions what Tom Lawlor referenced.  Part of UFC vice president of athlete health and performance Jeff Novitzky's job is to receive e-mails and text messages from fighters about their supplements. Novitzky can check with USADA and let a fighter know if their supplements are at risk or not. But, Novitzky told MMA Fighting earlier this year, he can never say he is 100 percent sure because of the nature of supplements and cross-contamination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members herbie747 Posted July 19, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2016 The fact remains though that there are 1000's of supplements that have been used for years without incident. The market is flooded with choice. Pick one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted July 19, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2016 Brock failed his test on the night of the fight as well. What a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Apparently he failed both times for something called clomiphene, which is what Jon Jones is eating crow for. Â Fucking hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buba3d Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 is that not the ferility drug to educe labour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Couldn't tell you, but after some digging on the anabolic steroids forum (fucking hell), apparently clomiphene along with Nolvadex are the two principle SERMS (no idea) to take when on a 'cycle'. Â So there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members herbie747 Posted July 19, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2016 They're oestrogen blockers. Same stuff Chael was busted for when he came off TRT. When you come off a steroid cycle, you take these to stop your body producing oestrogen (since your natural testosterone production will be low) - it's so you don't start getting female features like tits.  It's the reason Rock & Jericho both had tit reduction surgery - their body produced oestrogen from coming off steroid cycles - Rock had surgery in 99 when he used to wear that black t-shirt all the time to hide his scars, and Jericho a few years ago. It's called gynecomastia.  And yes - I know Jericho is also more toned in the 2nd photo, but his pecs are gone - flat - disappeared after surgery.  Jericho before:   Jericho After: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 19, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2016 Jericho looks like an in shape, buttered up Aled Jones in that second picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted July 20, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2016 Oh Brock, how you broke my heart. Â Needless to say this is a bit of a disaster (of varying degrees) for all involved. None more so than Lesnar himself, as it tarnishes his legacy quite a bit and in a very un-Lesnar move, it has also cost him millions and probably millions more. Â Clearly fighters think they can cheat the tests, but USADA aren't having it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted July 20, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2016 I bet Jones is spewing right now. Brock pops twice for the same substance and still takes home millions, even after fines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted July 20, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2016 Who honestly thought Brock was clean? Did people think he simply went to the same 'horse meat' butcher as Overeem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weevil Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Brock failed his test on the night of the fight as well. What a disaster. Didn't Anderson fail his night of the fight test, when he fought Diaz, as well? Are out of competition tests catching anyone that wouldn't otherwise be caught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members lambyUK Posted July 20, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2016 Â Brock failed his test on the night of the fight as well. What a disaster. Didn't Anderson fail his night of the fight test, when he fought Diaz, as well? Are out of competition tests catching anyone that wouldn't otherwise be caught? Â Â He did fail the fight test yes. I still can't believe the hypocrisy of Silva stepping in for Jones. Silva was caught with actual anabolic steroids in his system (and given a hero's welcome), as bad as any recent failed test from any mma athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016  im always of the opinion that as a professional athlete should be 100% aware of everything they put into their bodies, unless it's a case where the supplement company is lying about what's in their products i don't think there's any excuse for a fighter taking a tainted supplement. Didn't a supplement company immediately release a statement last week after the Jones-fiasco where they said 'don't pin this on us'.  I do find it fairly absurd that fighters can't take certain legal over the counter supplements though.  There are literally 1000's of supplements that fighters can take that are not tainted. Yet some choose a new or weird brand that poses a potential risk. Seems like a stupid move - or a pre-planned excuse, as I laid out above & David scoffed at... even though it's ridiculously simple to execute and seems to result in a 75% reduction in your suspension.  Tom Lawler said that if he's unsure about a supplement, he can take a photo, send it to the UFC USADA rep, and get a reply whether it's okay to use or not. Really simple process - there should be no confusion.   The thing that your missing here Herb is that the supplements in question aren't on any USADA list at the time of usage, are they? It's only after the fighter has been flagged, and the unopened packet is tested in a lab that they realise it could be tainted that USADA add the supplement to their list. So they can send all the photos they want, but until USADA run a lab test on it they'll not know anything.  Are you saying that every fighter should send photos of every supplement they take to USADA so that they can ask for a sealed batch to run a test on?  You're making assumptions about "new or weird" brands when you don't know what either Romero or Means took, do you? How do you know if the supplement they took is "new or weird"?  According to the fighters, they've been taking the same stuff for ages and it's only now that they're being flagged due to the seriously in-depth testing levels of USADA.  You claim that it's simple, yet you don't actually seem able to get it, do you? There's a reason why the fighters lodged appeals, and there's a reason why their sentences were reduced.  The supplements they were taking were not on any USADA banned list at the time they took them (so taking photos and shit won't work when there's nothing for USADA to base their opinion on), and the ingredients listed didn't include anything that is banned.  It was only after in-depth testing a batch of the supplement that they found trace amounts of a banned substance that the fighter had no real way of knowing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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