Paid Members Carbomb Posted July 19, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2015 Â So Ronda calls out Floyd Mayweather for domestic violence but has no problem training with convicted rapist Mike Tyson? Weird. Â Yeah, but Mike seems to have been given a bit of the Ali treatment in his retirement. All of the shit he did and said as a fighter has been forgotten. Â Â Regardless of what you think of Ali, he never did anything anywhere near as bad as what Tyson did. Even if you didn't agree with his behaviour, there'd be nothing morally objectionable about hanging out with him, nor would it erode your moral position if you were having a go at someone else for spousal abuse. He didn't rape anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 19, 2015 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2015 I'm surprised even four people have voted Correia in the poll, to be honest. Â I know she's unbeaten but her best win is Shayna Baszler, who hasn't looked good in ages. Before that she couldn't finish Jessamyn Duke and she had a razor close fight with Julie Kedzie who was on the verge of retiring. I had Kedzie winning that one actually. Â Outside landing some deathblow, I don't see how she beats Rousey at all. And I'm not sure she even possesses that kind of punch. Her battering of Baszler was vicious but she was able to tee off at will and landed a ton of shots and couldn't even knock Baszler down, much less out. Â She's not going to submit Rousey. And I can't see her having long enough spells of success to win enough rounds to take a decision. So she pretty much has to win by knockout. But I don't think she even has enough power to make her 'puncher's chance' mean anything. Â Basically, she's fucked. Fucked, I tell thee. Â Feel free to quote this on the 2nd August if Correia somehow pulls it off. But yeah, she's well fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Â Â So Ronda calls out Floyd Mayweather for domestic violence but has no problem training with convicted rapist Mike Tyson? Weird. Â Yeah, but Mike seems to have been given a bit of the Ali treatment in his retirement. All of the shit he did and said as a fighter has been forgotten. Â Â Regardless of what you think of Ali, he never did anything anywhere near as bad as what Tyson did. Even if you didn't agree with his behaviour, there'd be nothing morally objectionable about hanging out with him, nor would it erode your moral position if you were having a go at someone else for spousal abuse. He didn't rape anyone. Â Â I'm not comparing their actions, obviously. I'm simply saying that much as Ali's past behaviour has been conveniently forgotten, so has Tyson's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 19, 2015 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 19, 2015 Loads of fighters seem to have dodgy shit in their pasts that seem to get conveniently forgiven or forgotten. Not always as extreme as the Tyson rape case (doesn't get much more extreme than that) or the Mayweather domestic violence stuff, but it's there. Â Anthony Johnson had a few accusations of domestic violence against him. Alexander Gustafsson has a bit of a checkered past too, he was arrested a few times on assault charges when he was younger. Overeem was accused of hitting a woman at a club or a casino or something a couple of years ago. Travis Browne has recently been accused of beating up his girlfriend. Â Of course, in some of these cases the fighters weren't found guilty of the crime in court so it's not the same as the Tyson thing. But still, these reports went largely unmentioned by MMA fans and media. People are quick to forgive or forget if it's a fighter they like it seems. Â The only time that shit seems to stick is when it involves a fighter who's shit and/or no-one likes anyway. Like War Machine and Thiago Silva. Â Fuck, even Hermes Franca's alleged noncery didn't get much more than a passing mention when that story broke a few years ago. The Lloyd Irvin rape stuff got a bit more attention but that fizzled out too. What happened there? Â This thread's gone way off track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cousin Jim Bob Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Tyson seems very close with the UFC brass this past year or so. I know they had connections in the past but he is always around if they are in Vegas or tagging round with Dana lately.  TBH boxing has kind of washed its hands of him so this seems his regular thing now.   Ronda seemed more annoyed Floyd did'nt know who she was than about him hitting women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Fox Piss Posted July 20, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2015 Boxing washed its hands of Tyson? The first ever boxing event at the new Barclays center the roof nearly blew off when they showed Tyson in front row. His everywhere. If there is a fight outside my local Yates i expect Tyson to be there with a shit shirt and a lass who looked bored to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 1st Fedor fight - Nog got beatdown by the successor to his throne but it was an epic fight at the time. Great post.  I think Nog's physical prime was in 2004. He was in supreme shape during the 2004 HW Grand Prix. The aforementioned victories over Herring and Sergei were superb (it should be remembered that both Herring and Sergei were in their prime).  His 2nd loss to Fedor was nothing to be ashamed of. While he clearly lost, he was fighting the very best version of Fedor. Watch how slick Fedor was in that fight, and compare it with his efforts post-2007. It's almost like comparing BJ Penn in 2009, to the Penn that turned up in the 2nd Edgar fight.  If you consider that Nog also faced the best version of Barnett in 2006, the best version of Cro Cop in 2003 and the best version of Mir in 2008, it speaks volumes of his credibility. He took on fighters in their prime. You could never accuse him of cherry picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted July 20, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2015 nah never, Nogueira fought em all. I think of all the heavyweights Big Nog has the most complete in terms of who he actually fought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 20, 2015 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2015 Yeah, Nog's fought pretty much everyone and, as Jim says, he fought them all at or close to their peak. He's a fucking warhorse. To this day I think he'd jump in there with King Kong tomorrow. Balls like bowling balls. Â And a ladies man to boot... Â Â And yeah, Nog was definitely in top form for that 2004 GP. I don't think I ever saw him in better shape than that and he was on fire performance-wise throughout the tournament. He had the tougher road to the finals as well IMO, having to go through Herring and Kharitonov while Fedor got an old Coleman, Randleman (although that one nearly ended badly for Fedor) and fucking Ogawa. If Nog was ever going to beat Fedor, that was the time, I reckon. I'd still have favoured Fedor but Nog was firing on all cylinders big-time in that tournament. Shame it had to end on the headbutt/cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted July 20, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 20, 2015 Watching Big Nog get knocked out by Roy Nelson may have been the angriest I've ever been whilst watching MMA. I think the final punch that finished him genuinely resulted in me shouting, "oh for fucks sake!" Â He had the most perfect way to end his career when he beat Dave "BJJ doesn't work on me," Herman by submission in Brazil and it's annoyed me ever since that he didn't leave on that perfect high note. Hopefully he wins here and then calls it a career. Watching him get beaten up is like watching your dad getting the shit kicked out of him. He's too nice and he's too old. Call it a day, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I know it's all relative and fighters seem to age relative to how long they've been fighting but fucking hell Big Nog has aged terribly. He's only 2 years older than Punk yet there could be a 100 years between them. He looks older than Randy does at the minute. Â That blokes just had the years beaten out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Yeah, Shogun's on his last legs now but Jesus Christ he was a beast back then. Indeed.  He also polished off Overeem and Arona in the same night to win the Middleweight Grand Prix. Sure, Arona had gone 15 mins with Wanderlei earlier in the night, but Arona's Semi-Final had gone on first that evening, so he had more time to rest than Shogun. Before Shogun laid waste to him, only Rampage had scored a stoppage over Arona, and it took a powerbomb of Kevin Nash proportions to do it.  Shogun deserved to win fighter of the year in 2005. Looking back, I was a bit too caught up in the Liddell hypebole. Shogun was the best in his weightclass at that time. He would have easily been Champion if he didn't share the same camp as Wanderlei. Which is why his later UFC title reign (however brief), did the man justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted July 21, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2015 Shogun losing to Forrest Griffin remains one of the most deflating and saddest nights ive ever had watching MMA. Knee injury or not, it really felt like the bubble burst that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Yeah, Shogun's on his last legs now but Jesus Christ he was a beast back then. Â Knowing what we do now about PED use in MMA i'm fairly certain that a lot of the old PRIDE killer generation were gassed up to the gills. The likes of Wanderlei and Shogun looked like different fighters when they hit the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted July 21, 2015 Paid Members Share Posted July 21, 2015 there's absolutely no doubt that PED's played a huge part in the failure of many top Pride fighters over in the UFC, i don't hold it against anyone, them's were the times...however! it fucking sucked when they all started coming over and starting losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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