Moderators Astro Hollywood Posted August 21, 2013 Moderators Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm baffled by the fact your brother's teeth came up. Surely that kind of shit can't be the norm.... Something like my brother was talking and the guy was staring at him and suddenly burst out and said "I didn't want to say anything, but how did you teeth get like that?", then it went onto the subject of teeth for about five minutes. Â Yeah, I would be reporting the fuck out of that guy. What an absolute cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian 86 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 On a completely different subject, does anybody do HR here? I was employed back in December with a six-month probation but have never received either verbal or written confirmation that I am now permanently employed. Back in June, my boss gave me a "pull my socks up" talk and it's two months later and I've had no word about anything. Is there legislation governing this sort of thing? If so, am I still under probation?  From http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/work..._employment.htm  Probationary periods It is common for employers to treat new employees as being in a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm baffled by the fact your brother's teeth came up. Surely that kind of shit can't be the norm.... Something like my brother was talking and the guy was staring at him and suddenly burst out and said "I didn't want to say anything, but how did you teeth get like that?", then it went onto the subject of teeth for about five minutes. Shit man, your brother has to report that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Surf Digby Posted August 21, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm baffled by the fact your brother's teeth came up. Surely that kind of shit can't be the norm.... Something like my brother was talking and the guy was staring at him and suddenly burst out and said "I didn't want to say anything, but how did you teeth get like that?", then it went onto the subject of teeth for about five minutes. That advisor is bound by the terms of his employment to abide by the DWP Service Standards. Â http://www.dwp.gov.uk/other-specialists/de.../our-standards/ Â Unless it can be proven that he's criticising the appearance of every person he sees, then he's not "treating all customers equally and consistently", and in your brothers case, he's certainly not "treating him fairly and with respect", nor did they "provide the standard of service he expected to receive from them. Â Three clear breaches there. My approach would be to ask for an appointment with a manager, with the advisor in attendance so that he can explain to both of you at the same time why their Service Standards don't apply to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Thunderplex Posted August 21, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm baffled by the fact your brother's teeth came up. Surely that kind of shit can't be the norm.... Something like my brother was talking and the guy was staring at him and suddenly burst out and said "I didn't want to say anything, but how did you teeth get like that?", then it went onto the subject of teeth for about five minutes. Â The point of work focused interviews for ESA claimants is to look at ways that person may be able to start some kind of paid work in the future. People who attend are often very nervous as they have not really had any contact with the Job Centre for a long time. I had people in tears while thay were waiting for appointments with me just out of fear that they were going to sa something wrong and lose the benefits. It then took most of the interview to build up their confidence to a point where we could have a open, honest chat about steps they could start to take, and what we could do to support them. Â What this cretin could have done to your brothers confidence is vile. If your brother was suffering with a depressive condition or other mental health problem, this could have sent him over the edge. Please get him reported, as I do not want to be proffesionally associated with that kind of person. Â On the JSA side of things (that I do now), we sometimes have to have delicate conversations about how people look and present themselves. There is a way of doing things that can get great results without making people feel like crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfMetal Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Thanks for the advice guys, but despite only completing the application this morning, I've already been rejected for a job that I could walk into doing tomorrow (but it was "after careful consideration" ofcourse). I'm gutted, I was perfect for that job and I didn't get a fucking interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) If they havent said otherwise then I'd take it as you are still on probation. Â Unless your boss is an arse, there's no reason you shouldn't ask him/her what their plan is regarding your status (unless you think there is a realistic chance they'll terminate you then you may wish to not bring it up?). Or ask HR if you have a contact there. Â More the case is that if I'm still on probation, I can leave at a week's notice. I'm applying for other jobs and this would open up jobs with an immediate start date. Â EDIT: Had a terrible conversation with my boss, basically I'm shit eventhough I'm now doing a job I wasn't employed to do and am not qualified to do. I'm being treated like a dog's body. They won't let me take time off either, I want to punch the cunt every time I see him. Edited August 22, 2013 by mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdogg Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Thanks for the advice guys, but despite only completing the application this morning, I've already been rejected for a job that I could walk into doing tomorrow (but it was "after careful consideration" ofcourse). I'm gutted, I was perfect for that job and I didn't get a fucking interview Maybe the job was already closed or over subscribed because I don't think they could have given you a fair crack with your application in a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdogg Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) I've recently become really fucking frustrated with not being to find any job, hate being on the dole,I am either not qualified cause of experience or over qualified cause I have a degree. No shop or bar even seems to want me. People have looked at my CV and said its decent so no problem there. Anyway Im sick and tired of that shit so have decided to do something. Im thinking of learning to become a barber, which I think is a good trade, and its a lot of hard work but there is opportunity there, so I am hoping to start an NVQ in September. Just wondering if anyone has done anything similar, ie a trade of chef etc? Cheers. Is your degree mentioned on your CV? A lot of employers will look and think you are going to work in the same field as your degree as soon as the chance arrives. Edited August 22, 2013 by Rapey Eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm29195 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'm baffled by the fact your brother's teeth came up. Surely that kind of shit can't be the norm.... Something like my brother was talking and the guy was staring at him and suddenly burst out and said "I didn't want to say anything, but how did you teeth get like that?", then it went onto the subject of teeth for about five minutes. Â The point of work focused interviews for ESA claimants is to look at ways that person may be able to start some kind of paid work in the future. People who attend are often very nervous as they have not really had any contact with the Job Centre for a long time. I had people in tears while thay were waiting for appointments with me just out of fear that they were going to sa something wrong and lose the benefits. It then took most of the interview to build up their confidence to a point where we could have a open, honest chat about steps they could start to take, and what we could do to support them. Â What this cretin could have done to your brothers confidence is vile. If your brother was suffering with a depressive condition or other mental health problem, this could have sent him over the edge. Please get him reported, as I do not want to be proffesionally associated with that kind of person. Â On the JSA side of things (that I do now), we sometimes have to have delicate conversations about how people look and present themselves. There is a way of doing things that can get great results without making people feel like crap. Â I don't know if it is still the case but when I was an adviser we could give 'adviser directives' to people claiming JSA, where they had to do x,y,z before their next interview - this could include something like getting a haircut or similar - never heard anything about fixing teeth though - seems a bit daft as fixing teeth takes time and money if not available free through the nhs - particularly as the chap mentioned is an ESA claimant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I don't know if it is still the case but when I was an adviser we could give 'adviser directives' to people claiming JSA, where they had to do x,y,z before their next interview - this could include something like getting a haircut or similar - never heard anything about fixing teeth though - seems a bit daft as fixing teeth takes time and money if not available free through the nhs - particularly as the chap mentioned is an ESA claimant... Are these "adviser directives" simply suggestions? Or could you flat out tell someone to get a hair cut, trim their heard etc or stop their money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Thunderplex Posted August 22, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'm baffled by the fact your brother's teeth came up. Surely that kind of shit can't be the norm.... Something like my brother was talking and the guy was staring at him and suddenly burst out and said "I didn't want to say anything, but how did you teeth get like that?", then it went onto the subject of teeth for about five minutes. Â The point of work focused interviews for ESA claimants is to look at ways that person may be able to start some kind of paid work in the future. People who attend are often very nervous as they have not really had any contact with the Job Centre for a long time. I had people in tears while thay were waiting for appointments with me just out of fear that they were going to sa something wrong and lose the benefits. It then took most of the interview to build up their confidence to a point where we could have a open, honest chat about steps they could start to take, and what we could do to support them. Â What this cretin could have done to your brothers confidence is vile. If your brother was suffering with a depressive condition or other mental health problem, this could have sent him over the edge. Please get him reported, as I do not want to be proffesionally associated with that kind of person. Â On the JSA side of things (that I do now), we sometimes have to have delicate conversations about how people look and present themselves. There is a way of doing things that can get great results without making people feel like crap. Â I don't know if it is still the case but when I was an adviser we could give 'adviser directives' to people claiming JSA, where they had to do x,y,z before their next interview - this could include something like getting a haircut or similar - never heard anything about fixing teeth though - seems a bit daft as fixing teeth takes time and money if not available free through the nhs - particularly as the chap mentioned is an ESA claimant... Â We still can do that, but we only really use it in extreame circumstaces. One of my cliens had a really dreadful beard and tache combo that had only really grown out properley on one side of his face. Trimmed down he could have got away with it, but the way it was, he just looked dreadful. I did it as a directon to make sure he got it done, but it was not a case of "Get that cut you scruffy bastard", it was a good 40 minute chat about how a well trimmed beard would give the impression of being well organised. Not sure if I would do the same about teeth though, as it's not something a person could really sort themselves. If someones teeth are particularly bad and they are going for reception roles, I guide them into thinking about more back of house types of jobs, asI know employers just would not consider them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm29195 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'm baffled by the fact your brother's teeth came up. Surely that kind of shit can't be the norm.... Something like my brother was talking and the guy was staring at him and suddenly burst out and said "I didn't want to say anything, but how did you teeth get like that?", then it went onto the subject of teeth for about five minutes. Â The point of work focused interviews for ESA claimants is to look at ways that person may be able to start some kind of paid work in the future. People who attend are often very nervous as they have not really had any contact with the Job Centre for a long time. I had people in tears while thay were waiting for appointments with me just out of fear that they were going to sa something wrong and lose the benefits. It then took most of the interview to build up their confidence to a point where we could have a open, honest chat about steps they could start to take, and what we could do to support them. Â What this cretin could have done to your brothers confidence is vile. If your brother was suffering with a depressive condition or other mental health problem, this could have sent him over the edge. Please get him reported, as I do not want to be proffesionally associated with that kind of person. Â On the JSA side of things (that I do now), we sometimes have to have delicate conversations about how people look and present themselves. There is a way of doing things that can get great results without making people feel like crap. Â I don't know if it is still the case but when I was an adviser we could give 'adviser directives' to people claiming JSA, where they had to do x,y,z before their next interview - this could include something like getting a haircut or similar - never heard anything about fixing teeth though - seems a bit daft as fixing teeth takes time and money if not available free through the nhs - particularly as the chap mentioned is an ESA claimant... Â We still can do that, but we only really use it in extreame circumstaces. One of my cliens had a really dreadful beard and tache combo that had only really grown out properley on one side of his face. Trimmed down he could have got away with it, but the way it was, he just looked dreadful. I did it as a directon to make sure he got it done, but it was not a case of "Get that cut you scruffy bastard", it was a good 40 minute chat about how a well trimmed beard would give the impression of being well organised. Not sure if I would do the same about teeth though, as it's not something a person could really sort themselves. If someones teeth are particularly bad and they are going for reception roles, I guide them into thinking about more back of house types of jobs, asI know employers just would not consider them. Â Exactly - I always wondered whether this sort of thing directly led to the rise of facial tattoos, which seem to have increased - one example, a man with 'fuck off' tattooed on his head telling me with a sneer that he never gets past the interview stage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm29195 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I don't know if it is still the case but when I was an adviser we could give 'adviser directives' to people claiming JSA, where they had to do x,y,z before their next interview - this could include something like getting a haircut or similar - never heard anything about fixing teeth though - seems a bit daft as fixing teeth takes time and money if not available free through the nhs - particularly as the chap mentioned is an ESA claimant... Are these "adviser directives" simply suggestions? Or could you flat out tell someone to get a hair cut, trim their heard etc or stop their money? Â Yes, essentially, although it was normally a last ditch thing - I only used it a couple of times over several years of advising - an informal chat normally worked better, most people aren't trying to stay out of work, but there's always a hardcore of determined work dodgers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Thunderplex Posted August 22, 2013 Paid Members Share Posted August 22, 2013 I don't know if it is still the case but when I was an adviser we could give 'adviser directives' to people claiming JSA, where they had to do x,y,z before their next interview - this could include something like getting a haircut or similar - never heard anything about fixing teeth though - seems a bit daft as fixing teeth takes time and money if not available free through the nhs - particularly as the chap mentioned is an ESA claimant... Are these "adviser directives" simply suggestions? Or could you flat out tell someone to get a hair cut, trim their heard etc or stop their money? Â Yes, essentially, although it was normally a last ditch thing - I only used it a couple of times over several years of advising - an informal chat normally worked better, most people aren't trying to stay out of work, but there's always a hardcore of determined work dodgers... Â I tend to give the dodgers plenty of realistic stuff to do under direction. Also 9:00 appointments seem to upset them. They tend to get fed up after a few times and just go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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