WWE Survivor Series 2011 Discussion Thread

[ThePhenom]

In response to the last post by C-Rock, I do agree about the level of blandness that a lot of the young guys have. But surely your argument is flawed when you just paid

[wrestlingmad]

Amazing crowd. Like somebody else already stated Rocky did a perfect match, he was crisp, he is in the best shape of his life and he overshadows everyone. Cena looks like guy in a training school compared to the level of The Rock. I loved how they actually re-enforced the ring for the fun throw-about session. I was really looking forward to the SS match but Sin Cara botching himself to injury ruined the momentum and the match I think, It just seemed like they all shit themselves realizing the match has to be changed. I REALLY REALLY wish it was Ziggler vs. Ryder as the crowd popped massive for him! Rocky aside Ryder got the biggest pop of the night. If Ryder is not United States Champion by 2012 there is something wrong.

 

Overall average PPV but the crowd made it great and must-see material. Oh and I LOL @ massive Colt Cabana chant. Punk loved it.

[Maverick]

Survivor Series was the first PPV Iv purchased since WrestleMania and the only reason I decided to stay up and watch because I wanted to see the return of the Rock, which was everything I thought it would be for the first 5mins then after that it became just another match I was fighting to stay awake to watch. John Cena is cringe worthy, how does he possibly take himself serious and it takes a strong person to stand in MSG in front of 15.000 people and be booed and heckled the way he was.

 

I think the WWE is in a sorry state of affairs when they are having to rely on the likes of the Rock, Triple H, Kevin Nash, Mick Foley and others to boost their ratings, it goes to show how little the faith they have in the young WWE superstars. These guys arent getting any younger and there has to be a time when the torch is passed fully and the stars of yester-year step aside and let the younger superstars i.e. Dolph Ziggler, John Morrison, Jack Swagger, Wade Barrett etc take the ball, which I think is going to be a downward spiral for WWE as none of them seem to have any personality, generic good-guy, generic bad-guy which gets stale and boring. Theres only so many spots you can do in the ring until it gets boring and there's no star quality in any of them with exception of perhaps Ziggler but he can't possibly take the weight of the WWE alone when yesterdays stars are to old and broken down or off making a movie somewere.

 

I found the PPV boring, the opening match between Dolph and Morrison felt like it was just going threw the motions of a match they could of had on Raw, 2 generic superstars doing nothing apart from trading spots up till the finish that was totally anti-climatic.

 

the traditional 5 on 5 match was terrible and the timing was pretty rotten, Randy Orton (the only one in the match with some depth and personality) looked bored to tears, he deserved a better spot on the card instead of being thrown into a match with mid-card fodder. It was bland and rushed, very little in the way of chemistry again it just seemed to be a bunch of spots thrown together.

Dolph generic? Are you serious bro? Dolph's been great these last few years and is constantly improving both on the mic and in the ring. He rarely has a bad match and just constantly delivers. I'll be suprised if he doesn't go on to have a few World title runs to be honest. He's one of the guys in the company with the most potential.

[Foale]

I don't think Sin Cara botched anything, he seemed to hurt his knee as soon as he jumped which is why he collided into the ropes. His injury had nothing to do with the way he landed, it happened before that. It's no one's fault, just an unfortunate turn of events for Cara I guess.

[Snake Plissken]

JBL is claiming via Twitter that he was contacted about a return at SS.

 

Former WWE Champion John "Bradshaw" Layfield stated on Twitter that he was contacted by WWE to appear at Survivor Series.

Layfield wrote, "Not at Survivor Series and not watching-too late for me. 15 years ago my SS debut Tim White counted me out by mistake! Big screw up! It was my big push and Tim White counted 3 by mistake, first time ear pieces were used and someone was in his ear. Killed my push:)"

 

He continued, "I'm not watching cause it's too late for me-got early morning tee time in Bermuda! Was asked if I was available by WWE, but I'm not. #golf"

[Philo_Vance]

I don't think Sin Cara botched anything, he seemed to hurt his knee as soon as he jumped which is why he collided into the ropes. His injury had nothing to do with the way he landed, it happened before that. It's no one's fault, just an unfortunate turn of events for Cara I guess.

 

This is what i thought, he flopped over the ropes rather than jumping, so I assume his knee or ankle or whatever gave out as he jumped rather than on landing. Not that that looks any better for him in the long term, he's still unreliable and gaff-prone, but it wasn't what I'd call a botch, as such. More in the vein of Big Kev fucking his leg just by taking an awkward step that time.

[TildeGuy~!]

The official Twitter feed of the WWE Insider stated this evening that Sin Cara suffered a ruptured patellar tendon and will be sidelined for six to nine months, following surgery.

 

The masked grappler suffered the injury while performing a dive outside the ring during the Traditional Survivor Series Elimination Tag Team Match. He was left unable to compete and therefore eliminated.

[Fatty Facesitter]

Loved it. Absolutely loved it, every match had something that the crowd loved and everything came off brilliantly I felt.

 

I do disagree with one thing though: Rock isn't as good as he was before he left. Why? HE'S EVEN FUCKING BETTER. Rock is the absolute fucking man at everything. He can sing, act, he still cuts the best promos in the world, and he can still wrestle like a dream. There is quite literally nothing the man can't do. Absolutely made up that he returned, complete with tights. Rock/Cena in Miami is going to be all kinds of epic.

 

Elsewhere I thought the card was great, accompanied by WWE's best crowd all year. Ziggler and Morrison put on one of the best PPV openers I've ever seen even despite the crowds constant Ryder chanting, and what a pop when Ryder actually did show up at the end! The divas match was so so, but that was an epic glamslam from the top turnbuckle. I've only caught half of the 5-on-5 match so far but despite Sin Cara's injury I really enjoyed what I saw. Cody was adored by the MSG crowd.

 

Henry/Show wasn't bad for a big man bout, and what about that fucking elbow from Show? Amazing. Thought the WWE title match was absolutely stellar and Punk winning was the right result, but for all the flak Del Rio gets I thought he wrestled an absolute blinder as per usual for him.

[C-Rock]

I did say with the exception of Ziggler who does have a lot of potential and I agree has definetly improved a lot over the past year or so but he is an exception, the WWE have tried to make main event stars out of R-Truth, Morrison and others and they have failed to get over and have moved back to the mid-card level leaving the main-event spots open to the same matches month in month out, Christian/Randy Orton - Bigshow/Mark Henry. WWE seem to really be lacking in intensity and chemistry, there's a huge lack in credible superstars on the current roster who can work and full time schedule. WWE are having to rely on the Rock to come in and boost the ratings, Triple H and the Undertaker are in the same position. It's 15 years since the Rock made his debut, its 20/21 years since the Undertaker made his debut its not a good sign of the future that WWE are still having to pull these guys out the bag to create some interest in the WWE product.

 

I do blame the WWE going PG as the reason they have lost ratings, PPV's like Hell in a Cell and TLC would draw a lot more interest no matter who was in the main-event if fans knew that there was an element of potential danger and blood-shed. I don't know what rating WWE was previous to it beoming PG but I think statistics show that ratings and attendence were up when WWE was allowed to be more cutting edge and adult themed. WWE is going back to pre-attitude era and to the reason why WCW walked all over them in the ratings. CM Punk a couple months ago drew some real interest in his fued with Triple H as it seemed like a real life/shoot situation was being played out on TV, thats what WWE needs some controversy, not fruity pebbles. Don't patronise and force feed the WWE fans with weak light hearted shit like that cause its just not going to sell or get over, we are being force fed John 'Cartoon' Cena when we should be being force fed someone along the lines of a Stone Cold with some balls, steeped in attitude, someone the fans can relate to and get behind instead of some, generic 20 year old with good looks in a pair of tights. I appreciate that you need athleticism and actually atheletic matches that guys like Ziggler are producing but theres only so much you can do within those boundries, that stuff is excellent in the mid card but in the Main-Event spot you want something more you want something that you would sell your grandma to see. When the Hell in a Cell PPV roles around you want to be thinking OMG I need to see this event for the sole reason that blood is going to be spilled and its going to be an all out war e.g. Hell in the Cell matches in the early 2000's.

 

I'm not saying that WWE needs to turn into CZW as I really hate that kind of ultra-violent wrestling, I feel it has no place being called Pro-Wrestling but I do believe that a fued built up correctly should end in a stronger fashion to what we are seeing now. How can WWE expect WWE fans to embrace and get behind 10 faces who all look the same, good looks in a pair of tights...Ziggler, Morrison, McIntyre, Riley, Swagger, Kofi, Bourne, Rhodes etc their generic with nothing to make us sit back and say WOW im going to get behind him cause I believe in him, they are WOW that was a good match...NEXT! and they are that was pretty good but I've seen it done before so I'm not going to pay

[FUM]

Would Daniel Bryan be allowed to cash in the MITB on CM Punk or is it only for the World Heavyweight Championship. Surely an internet fans dream Mania match there?

[Derrick-Bateman]

i was upset that the gobbledy gooker wasnt there!

[King Pitcos]

Mixed bag. The survivors match was tremendous, Punk vs Del Rio was great and the US title was a fine opener (albeit one that shouldn't have been on the card in the first place). Henry vs Big Show was really good as well. But the main event did nothing for me. I think I just don't like The Rock anymore, I loved his first appearance in February and I've just thought less and less of him with every appearance since. His first match in nearly eight years and it just felt flat, like they were all going through the motions. Not that they necessarily were just going through the motions, but it just didn't have that "wow" factor for me that I hoped it would. We've already seen Rock flatten Miz and R-Truth, we've already seen him have staredowns with and flatten Cena. It was like WrestleMania in that the ending was a massive anticlimax.

 

I do blame the WWE going PG as the reason they have lost ratings

 

tm;dr

[Froggivizal_Version1.0]

Stone Cold got over by leathering people with chairs, but Undertaker, Rock, Triple H didn't need such extreme moves. WWE was and is, reacting to the world we live in. Back in the mid 90s, slacker comedy was in, the anti-hero was covering comic books and action films and programs such as Jerry Springer with shock TV was massively popular.

 

If they went back to that now, wrestling would seem massively, massively dated. So because of this, WWE is moving ahead - and while the twitter updates are annoying, if it wasn't for twitter and youtube, they wouldn't have the only new guy to get a genuine positive reaction in Zack Ryder. In my eyes, Punk should have won the belt 1st time round, left and then appeared on shows and have youtube footage pop-up of it. Let fans record the incident (such as a CM Punk picketing for Zack Ryder's push and their crappy content or whatever). They might then upload to their facebooks, twitters, youtube, whatever and their friends might watch it - having not sat and watch a two hour RAW and be intrigued. Again, when Miz & Truth got fired and invaded, and then put things on youtube - away from the WWE site.

 

WWE doesn't need to take a step back to the Attitude Era, it needs to move forward, and using social networking platforms is the perfect answer.

 

 

Oh, and watching the entrances to the Elimination match alone, and I'm in love with Cody Rhodes. He looks phenomenal, and MSG loved him. He needs to be the next MITB winner, or the King of the Ring if they do that again.

[ajmcstyles]

Id love to see the Hardcore title being brought back in PG era. Imagine trying to watch a hardcore match on sky one

[Dirty Eddie]

It was a pretty solid show, overall. That's pretty poor though, considering it was the night of The Rock's in-ring return.

 

The opener was a good match, but the crowd didn't give two shits, all they wanted was Ryder. Stupid booking that did nothing for Ziggler or Morrison. If you know the crowd want something, give it to them! All this did was waste time until Ryder ran out for the pop at the end. A shame for Ziggler, as he and Ryder would have had a better match with way, way more proper heat.

 

Henry and Show came alive at the end with the barricade spot then the amazing elbow drop. Fair play to Show for taking that kind of risk. Crowd was chanting whatever they felt like early on though, seemingly bored of the match. Have to say I agreed with them, until the final stretch. Ball kicking finish was a bit lame! D-Low Brown chants though - nice!

 

The 5 on 5 was forgettable. Glad they didn't go the usual route of the Face overcoming the odds. I'd have rather seen Ziggler get the win though, as I find him far better than Barrett or Cody, though Cody was fucking "on" last night, for sure. The booing of Mason was amusing. MSG knows! Not a bad match though. Sin Cara is cursed, no doubt about it.

 

Punk and Del Rio had a great match and the pop/general response to Punk was epic. He was super fucking over and as a result of that, Del Rio got the heat big-time and we had ourselves a red-hot title match. Good action with a lovely clean finish (which Punk really did need). Fink announcing the winner was gold. Great match. Surprised we got no Nash or Brodus, or indeed any shenanigans? Not complaining though really.

 

Main event was alright. Rock was as good as ever in-ring, and looked like he was in the best shape ever. The fans gave Cena the ECW One Night Stand treatment, which meant when Rock wasn't involved it was a bit like 3 heels (Cena, Miz, Truth) fighting, and the crowd clearly didn't give a shit about anyone not called "Dwayne". The pop for the Rock's entrance was also monster! We got a really lame ending though, with the very predictable clean win for team Rocky. The after match stuff was just odd. Cena being booed repeatedly at Rock's request, then he Rock Bottomed him and Cena just wandered off like a chump. They booked him to look like a right tool there. Strange?

 

Still, I've seen plenty of worse PPVs recently so a vague thumbs-up from me. Needed more Ryder, more Bryan and some imagination in the main event.