Paid Members Carbomb Posted May 23 Paid Members Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, westlondonmist said: Him being the first non-white prime minister means fuck all in my eyes. If he'd won an election, I think it would be quite an achievement. I feel the same about May and Truss. I don't like Thatcher, but I do think a woman winning an election in the seventies was a hell of an achievement. To be honest, Thatcher being a woman also means fuck-all to me because she pulled the ladder up behind her. The only thing I could find that she did specifically to improve the lot of women in the UK was to legislate women no longer needing a male sponsor to get a credit card. 1 minute ago, westlondonmist said: Labour have had 3 female deputy leaders, although only one has served as that in a government (Harman). It's still a piss-poor record, isn't it? No permanent leaders, and no PMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 minutes ago, Carbomb said: It's still a piss-poor record, isn't it? No permanent leaders, and no PMs. To contextualise, only 6 of our 57 PMs have been Labour and of course only 2 since the 80s. I’ve no skin in the game not being a member but I would’ve liked to have seen Rebecca Long Bailey get the gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted May 23 Paid Members Share Posted May 23 12 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: To contextualise, only 6 of our 57 PMs have been Labour and of course only 2 since the 80s. I’ve no skin in the game not being a member but I would’ve liked to have seen Rebecca Long Bailey get the gig. What I tend to point to as a demonstration of how right-wing this country actually is is that, since Labour became a party of government, the Tories have had twice as many PMs, and have been in government for twice the amount of time, roughly - six Labour PMs, fourteen Tory ones; thirty years in government for Labour, over sixty for the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, Carbomb said: What I tend to point to as a demonstration of how right-wing this country actually is is that, since Labour became a party of government, the Tories have had twice as many PMs, and have been in government for twice the amount of time, roughly - six Labour PMs, fourteen Tory ones; thirty years in government for Labour, over sixty for the Tories. Can’t remember who said it or word for word but for Chests sake I’ll put it in football terms. Labour are always a caretaker manager for this country, they take temporary charge over first team duties while the Tories regroup and sort themselves out after the public get temporarily fed up off them. Obviously a Tory wipeout at the election would put an end to that, but that won’t change having conservative governments. It’ll just be a change of name for the manager and caretaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted May 23 Paid Members Share Posted May 23 8 minutes ago, Carbomb said: What I tend to point to as a demonstration of how right-wing this country actually is is that, since Labour became a party of government, the Tories have had twice as many PMs, and have been in government for twice the amount of time, roughly - six Labour PMs, fourteen Tory ones; thirty years in government for Labour, over sixty for the Tories. Though I have a theory that most of the "Tories as natural party of government/Labour only get in when they fuck up" theories hang solely on 1970. If you look at post-war electoral records knowing nothing, you'd think the listing for 1970 was a typo. Ignore that (very close) result and you've got a near perfect pattern of "Labour and the Conservatives take it in turn to run the county until they run out of steam after three or four terms." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted May 23 Paid Members Share Posted May 23 Going well so far for The Right Honourable Rishi Sunak MP, Prime Minister Of The United Kingdom. To give him his full name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 20 minutes ago, Lion_of_the_Midlands said: Going well so far for The Right Honourable Rishi Sunak MP, Prime Minister Of The United Kingdom. To give him his full name. Useless Wet Cunt works better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted May 23 Paid Members Share Posted May 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, JNLister said: Though I have a theory that most of the "Tories as natural party of government/Labour only get in when they fuck up" theories hang solely on 1970. If you look at post-war electoral records knowing nothing, you'd think the listing for 1970 was a typo. Ignore that (very close) result and you've got a near perfect pattern of "Labour and the Conservatives take it in turn to run the county until they run out of steam after three or four terms." I think I'm missing something - post-war, Labour have been in power for roughly a total of 29 years, whilst the Tories have had 45. Even if you took out Heath's nearly four years, they've still got a decade more. EDIT: Sorry, I haven't had enough sleep. Turn Heath's four years into a Labour government, and it's roughly forty years to about thirty-three. So I see what you mean. Edited May 23 by Carbomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westlondonmist Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Carbomb said: To be honest, Thatcher being a woman also means fuck-all to me because she pulled the ladder up behind her. The only thing I could find that she did specifically to improve the lot of women in the UK was to legislate women no longer needing a male sponsor to get a credit card. It's still a piss-poor record, isn't it? No permanent leaders, and no PMs. I still think it was an amazing achievement, sure she could of used her platform for better or even done amazing things with it. Blair probably had a bigger impact on women in politics really. To the second point, it is piss poor when you consider Conservatives, Scottish Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Scottish Labour, SNP, Plaid Cymru, DUP and Sinn Fein have all had female leaders. Strangely 51% of Labour MPs are female, only 35% of Tory or SNP ones are. It will come eventually you would think. The current shadow cabinet has women in some big positions such as Reeves, Rayner, Phillipson, Cooper, Mahmood and Kendall. 1 hour ago, Keith Houchen said: To contextualise, only 6 of our 57 PMs have been Labour and of course only 2 since the 80s. I’ve no skin in the game not being a member but I would’ve liked to have seen Rebecca Long Bailey get the gig. If Long-Bailey had become leader I'm not sure she'd still be leader now. I think the press would have picked her off by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 17 minutes ago, westlondonmist said: If Long-Bailey had become leader I'm not sure she'd still be leader now. I think the press would have picked her off by now. Yep I think you could be right. It’s as I alluded to on page one On 5/22/2024 at 4:57 PM, Keith Houchen said: Wonder if the client journalist lot will start applying the slightest bit of pushback to Starmer now. Can’t help but think they’ve been keeping their powder dry to see how Starmers cosying up to the media barons goes and take their lead from them. A working class, left leaning, northern woman wouldn’t get the same treatment from establishment journalists like a southern middle class centrist man would in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I heard on the news Lee Anderson say he's ready to ruffle some feathers and you never know whats going to happen like he's being interviewed just before going into the Big Brother house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Danger Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 “I came here to ruffle feathers and defect parties and I’m all outta parties!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted May 23 Paid Members Share Posted May 23 "Day 1 in the Big Brother house. Lee is in the kitchen, making a racist breakfast." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 "Lee has come to the Diary Room" "Hello Big Brother. God I bet I can't even say that anymore can I? Hello Big non descriptive sibling. That better?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Danger Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 When he does go on Big Brother and assuming he hasn’t already you know he will, they better do a shopping budget challenge of 30p per meal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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