Paid Members Cod Eye Posted November 21, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 21, 2018 One thing I have always wondered, is how do retailers/ vegan food manufacturers get away will calling their meat substitutes the meat they are imitating. For example, a chippy near us is advertising vegan "Fish n Chips" where the the "fish" is a mix of veggie spiced and cut to taste and feel like fish, then battered. But surely this is getting into the crab /seafood/crab flavoured sticks territory, isn't it? By the way, this post isn't a vegan food is good/bad* post, but something I am genuinely interested in... *delete as require Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted November 21, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 21, 2018 Because they prefix it with the word vegan or veggie which everyone knows means no meat, whereas calling something crabsticks leads to a reasonable expectation that there would be crab in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, waters44 said: I can grasp that principle, thanks. No need to shoot me down, I have a genuine interest in what I believe to be a noble existence and hoped this would be the place to come to find out more. I wondered if there were different attitudes involved, that was all, I’ve not read the vegan rule book. It’s not so much a Rule Book as it is a Rule Post-It Note. If it harms an animal, it’s off the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted November 22, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2018 People do have varying degrees of what constitutes veganism, or what their "rules" are, though. I left a couple of vegan Facebook groups because they were full of people being overbearing and moralistic, or posting horrific photos and videos. The only one I'm in now has strict rules on not posting animal cruelty stuff, and just being for discussion of recipes, and where to find vegan food locally. Amongst that mob - and in posts I've seen on Reddit - there were some who looked down on people who were "only" vegan for health reasons, and refused to describe them as vegan. Obviously, these people were pricks. There are grey areas, though - there was a bit on QI recently about lots of fruit and veg being technically not vegan as it relied on the farming of bees, and there are lots of question marks around the environmental good or ill of urban beekeeping. One of my own makeshift rules is that I still wear leather, but I only buy it second-hand, morally justifying it to myself that this means that I'm not adding to the demand for new leather to be produced, knowing full well that the same argument is used to justify the continued existence of the ivory trade.... On the "oh, but what if the animal is treated well and killed humanely" argument - I'll always fall back to not understanding how being murdered by your primary caregiver is considered humane or fair treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted November 22, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2018 I think that new FB group you've joined has absolutely the right approach. With the exception of during times of crisis, people are more likely to be swayed by positive, emphatic representation of the benefits of something, rather than be bombarded with a ceaseless onslaught of horrendousness and brutality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted November 22, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2018 Sorry for the double post. So you might remember that I'd arranged with my neighbour that she'd teach me how to make bread, which we did on Sunday. She got all the ingredients together, but made sure I did all the measuring, mixing, yeasting, kneading, baking, etc. I definitely learned a lot. I don't think it was intended, but this recipe is vegan! No dairy at all - where the recipe calls for butter, she puts two spoons of olive oil. Basically: 0.5 oz yeast Spoonful of brown sugar (to "cream" the yeast) 11 oz strong wholemeal flour 5 oz strong white flour 0.75 oz salt Tablespoon of mixed seed Tablespoon of poppyseed Spoon of crushed walnuts Two spoons of olive oil Some water (didn't really measure, just enough to make the flour doughy enough to knead) Here's how it turned out: Tasted great (even though I say so myself, which I do). Going to try and do a few more basic bakes before I start trying ideas out (got one in my head for rosemary and toasted almonds, another for American-style cornbread). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted November 22, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 22, 2018 Oz and spoons? Boo! 👎🏾 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members mim731 Posted November 22, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2018 Looks cracking @Carbomb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said: Oz and spoons? Boo! 👎🏾 Robson deserved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 6:18 PM, waters44 said: I can grasp that principle, thanks. No need to shoot me down, I have a genuine interest in what I believe to be a noble existence and hoped this would be the place to come to find out more. I wondered if there were different attitudes involved, that was all, I’ve not read the vegan rule book. I personally consider how the meat is produced to be a sliding scale, with some much worse than others. However that doesn’t mean I would ever be inclined to eat any myself. Humane slaughter is a contradiction and a lot of animals that are “ethically” raised still get treated like shit. There isn’t a rule book, but if there was rule number one would be “don’t eat anything that comes from an animal.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted November 23, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 23, 2018 5 hours ago, mim731 said: Looks cracking @Carbomb! Thanks, man! 5 hours ago, Chest Rockwell said: Oz and spoons? Boo! 👎🏾 Yeah, it's my neighbour's system - she's in her 60s, and works with what she knows well; who am I to say otherwise? I daresay I can sort out metric equivalents for my own bakes using converters and whatnot, but for the moment, I don't want to mess with the formula until I've got the technique down pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Any Londoners who try this, please let us know how it tastes! UK's First All-Vegan Supermarket Greenbay Launches Plant-Based 'Steak' The product, which is made from soy, beans, and spices, is designed to make going vegan as easy as possible for people who previously enjoyed eating animal products Maria Chiorando Nov 22, 2018 4:46 PM Select LanguageAfrikaansAlbanianAmharicArabicArmenianAzerbaijaniBasqueBelarusianBengaliBosnianBulgarianCatalanCebuanoChichewaChinese (Simplified)Chinese (Traditional)CorsicanCroatianCzechDanishDutchEsperantoEstonianFilipinoFinnishFrenchFrisianGalicianGeorgianGermanGreekGujaratiHaitian CreoleHausaHawaiianHebrewHindiHmongHungarianIcelandicIgboIndonesianIrishItalianJapaneseJavaneseKannadaKazakhKhmerKoreanKurdish (Kurmanji)KyrgyzLaoLatinLatvianLithuanianLuxembourgishMacedonianMalagasyMalayMalayalamMalteseMaoriMarathiMongolianMyanmar (Burmese)NepaliNorwegianPashtoPersianPolishPortuguesePunjabiRomanianRussianSamoanScots GaelicSerbianSesothoShonaSindhiSinhalaSlovakSlovenianSomaliSpanishSundaneseSwahiliSwedishTajikTamilTeluguThaiTurkishUkrainianUrduUzbekVietnameseWelshXhosaYiddishYorubaZulu Powered by Translate The steak is available online and instore now The UK's first all-vegan supermarket has launched a plant-based 'steak' - which is available instore and online. Greenbay, which is based in west London, has released the product under its 'Harmless Foods' line. The Plant-Based Sliced Steak, which 'looks, cooks, and tastes like meat' is made from soy, beans, and spices, according to a statement sent to Plant Based News. Vegan "Our aim since we first opened GreenBay back in 2016, was to make going vegan easy and convenient," added the statement. "Our London Supermarket is a one-stop-vegan-shop, where we offer an extensive range of plant-based food products ...cruelty-free beauty and hair products, cleaning supplies, and even dog food. "Everything you would find in a conventional supermarket – that just happens to be vegan. In addition to our London store, and due to increased customer demand, in 2017 we launched our Online Supermarket, which currently ships thousands of products - including a huge variety of chilled items - across the UK & Northern Europe on a Next Day Delivery service. "Our aim as a company has always been to educate and encourage people to adopt a kinder lifestyle, and Harmless Foods was the next natural step on this journey." Vegan steak Paula Alcalde, Managing Director and Co-founder and Managing Director of GreenBay told PNB that the company decided to do a steak because there are already many vegan alternatives to products like burgers, sausages, but not as many steak replacements. "Food is linked to values and traditions and we know that just like bacon, steak is one of the most loved 'foods amongst non-vegans, and one of the things they find the hardest to give up," she added. "So it just made sense to do something that we believe might help people break that barrier." Alcalde herself played a key role in developing the product: "As a small business we don’t have the infrastructure nor equipment/resources required to produce food at a high volume and our manufacturer was able to guide us and provide invaluable advice all throughout the process; I was fully involved in both the development and branding process, and Anderson in logistics & finance," she said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Dr Martens have cut the price on their cherry red vegan shoes and boots for Black Friday, it's still 95 quid for the 1490's but damn I'm tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) On 11/22/2018 at 7:17 PM, Keith Houchen said: Robson deserved it. Of all the days for RE Rogers to follow the Oz Podcast’s Twitter, it’s when he comes up in an obscure reference Edited November 24, 2018 by WyattSheepMask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members mim731 Posted November 24, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 24, 2018 Made a bolognese using this stuff tonight, would recommend! I found it had a meatier texture than the Quorn mince. https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=44&productId=1250476&storeId=10151&krypto=Ysiiy8hv0KGLAYSUsDmxZPhNQL7%2Fnf%2BXPAl0vq8qJQFTdgGOSDcsHXs1fBFKd%2FKfjpgZcKAwa6kaKgGrqVK6oU1aqiQli2YLSSB1A35Klff%2FdI%2FnAyR3PZ1BcbuVgAqNn%2FH9bT17A6%2BGswkAyeApKEPsTPrg2w%2FpLLqKP6UZ4gA%3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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