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On 3/8/2019 at 6:26 PM, jazzygeofferz said:

How nice was the little "previously on Star Trek" thing before this week's episode?

It was the first little morsel in a buffet of general aceness for me.

As much as Discovery improved last season, it really feels like it's getting better and better. 

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I'm double posting by default, but fuck it! The last two episodes of Discovery have been absolute stormers. 

My only gripe is that this week's pay off would be even bigger if we knew the Bridge Crew a bit better. 

You know you're getting a good one when they bust Frakes out to direct.

 

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21 hours ago, BrodyGraham said:

My only gripe is that this week's pay off would be even bigger if we knew the Bridge Crew a bit better.

It's the limitation of the shorter seasons isn't it.  We've only met a lot of characters in passing.

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I feel like we know a half dozen characters really well and the rest of the Bridge Crew are essentially Tracy the barmaid from 'Enders though. I honestly feel like as much as I like her, I could know Burnham a little less if it got me a little closer to Airiam, Detmer, Oyo and the communications guy whose name I seem to have missed.

It's a common complaint and sometimes feels like a petty one but the payoff this week would've hit a lot harder with just a little more investment in the secondary characters. That said the work they did within the episode was excellent.

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If it had been more an "ensemble" show like the other Star Trek series and not just Michael Burnham and friends this episode would have potentially been heartbreaking. Instead it kind of felt like an episode of Black Mirror, but it managed to get you somewhat invested in Airiam in order for it to have its potency. 

The problem is that rather than being a show about the ship and crew they decided that it needed a protagonist and in doing so even the episodes about other characters almost all pretty much have to be seen through Burnham's eyes. Hopefully the new showrunner for next season understands this and can try and shift the focus away from that. 

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Well now. Firstly, I wasn't aware that it even existed, but by golly am I excited about it now. 

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Likewise - very much looking forward to this. DS9's my favourite series out of the lot.

 

To drag it back to Discovery, I finally caught up and I have to say it's been brill. I agree with the criticism that they could've spent a bit more time on the rest of the crew, especially as Burnham gets more than enough, and Tilly and Pike have had plenty (I'm sorry, I don't find Tilly endearing - she's not hugely annoying, but the over-sharing, nervous-but-spunky youngster trope is pretty over-used). They managed to pull it together with Airiam, but only just; it felt like a "oops, we just realised we haven't told you anything about this character yet HERE'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT". I'm hoping they learn their lesson and we get a bit more from Detmer, Owo, Dr. Culber, and, in an odd way, Kling Fandango - we didn't really get anything about him prior to his "fusion".

One thing I'm also not a fan of is the subtle, pernicious narrative they're putting across of Section 31 - the whole justification of "well, we do nasty things so that you happy sheep can sleep peacefully". Never liked it, Admiral Cornwell came across as an patronising, paternalistic dick when she said it, and it jars with DS9's narrative of sheer dismay that, in that era, in the kind of organisation the Federation is, a unit like 31 is allowed to continue.

But the rest of it's been ace. The actor playing Spock is doing really well, now that he's got lines to speak. He definitely puts across that serene Nimoy vibe. Also loving the gradual defrosting between Spock and Burnham, and the weird, dualistic interplay where they're really like brother and sister in their flitting between logic and emotion.

Also liking the story of Stamets and Culber. Can't help but feel really sad for them both, and Anthony Rapp in particular is doing a great job of tugging at the ol' heartstrings.

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This week's episode just felt so predictable at times. I know sometimes you need things like that. The stuff with Pike in the Monastry was really interesting, but all the way through the Burnham/Spock thing I was just saying "don't do that, that's a trap. That's not what you think it is." It was all played really well, but they almost looked like Sting levels of stupid for not even thinking "hang on, this is all a bit convenient." 

I also agree that it's a bit too Burnham. It's Star Trek Discovery, not Star Trek Michael Burnham. 

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Speaking of stupid, this week's episode! Worst one since the first half of the pilot. They had somewhat carefully worked around some plot holes up to now but this week it just went buckaroo. "Let's self destruct the ship." "Ok." "Didn't work." "Dang!" 

When they weren't being flat-out stupid, it was endless "final letters to loved ones", over emotional goodbyes, terrible speeches, and Huw and Stamets having a re-run of every fucking conversation they've had since the resurrection because everybody needs to get their shit in. 

It's interesting that almost nothing of note happened in this episode, yet it felt like the whole series fell apart. Ive really loved it up to now but I was just on my phone constantly throughout, couldn't concentrate, dull.

Next one should be a banger, at least!

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Well, that's series 2 out of the way.

 

I see they got it from the Stephen Moffatt Doctor Who series finale playbook.

 I have a numbing feeling of inevitability about what series 3 has in store, although it could go in a completely different direction entirely. 

I'd love more Captain Pike, because there are some really interesting things that can be done with his character given what happened in this series of Discovery and he was probably one of the best things about this series.. A pre TOS mini series about Pike on the Enterprise could be fun and shouldn't have to mess with continuity, or something involving him and some cadets. Just his inexorable path towards what he and the viewers know is coming, Knowing he's going to survive  everything may not create dramatic tension in that regard, but it'd be how he can use his knowledge to help those he  and his crew/class encounter on their travels. A few episodes here and there where he realises that he can't save everybody to keep things from getting boring. There are options.

Like Rogue One. We all kind of knew how it would end, but it was still a good story with lots of tension, and wasn't too clever or in your face with its "Look at us, we're a prequel" fan-service stuff. Darth Vader's cock aside, although I don;t know what fans that was particularly designed to service.

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I didn't mean Discovery's ending was obvious, but that a Pike series could take some examples from Rogue one about how to create tension around something we know the outcome of. Also I hid something away. Spoilers, sweetie.

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I find it frustrating that they feel they can't write anything post Voyager. They've got all this fancy tech that they barely bothered retconning in that could have easily have been repackaged as new or advancements. They've really handcuffed themselves by having to work around an existing timeline, and yes, the "let's never speak of this again" ending kind of works given the context, but why force yourself into it? Are they too worried about new characters not being strong enough that they won't get over without the names "Spock" and "Captain Pike" thrown in the mix? Maybe there's something to that, maybe CBS thinks it'd just turn into Enterprise, but isn't that kind of what's happening anyway? There's clearly enough creative chops between the writers and actors on this show to succeed without the millstone of being a canonically looser-than-the-proverbial prequel that obsessive nerds (eg me) can get cross about. 

Anyway,¬†brilliant final episode after the sack of soggy dicks that was the one before. Series 2 was better overall, I thought, as I didn't find the klingon business very interesting, plus series 1 seemed to peter out quite badly at the end. Also huge man crush on new Spock¬†ūüėć

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I liked the idea that following the events of First Contact technology had accidentally been advanced further than it should have been by the presence of the Borg in the 22nd Century and everything from Enterprise onwards was taking place in the new timeline. Apparently the reason we got that slow episode last week was because they were supposed to only have 13 episodes, but felt they'd have too much going on in the finale unless they got more time, so were given an extra episode which meant they had to do some padding. I also hear we don't get new Discovery until after they've done the first season of the Picard show.

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I'm not sure if that was a Star Trek episode or an Eve Online Twitch stream.  All a bit chaotic at times.

Now, let us never mention it again.  Bring on Picard!

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