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People tend to assume that black Pride and brown pride is about hatred, because that's what white pride is about. 

Probably because you haven't been on the receiving end of racism and prejudice.  It's a bit like English people finding the idea of Scottish Independence ridiculous.

I find all of it to be quite ridiculous really. 

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I was under the impression the whole Orange thing wasn't as tolerated by the authorities in Scotland as they are in Norn Iron. That's really depressing to hear. Fucking triumphalist bullshit. 

It's not just tolerated, it's encouraged mate. 

A few years back;

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The Labour Party leader of Falkirk council has pushed through over £1,000 in public grant funding to support the controversial Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland.

Craig Martin was one of eight Falkirk Labour councillors who supported giving the order a ‚Äėcommunity grant‚Äô of ¬£1,145.

The Orange Order, which bars Catholics from membership, has been blamed for causing sectarian tensions in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

 

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Members of the Orange Order have won council seats in the local elections by standing for the Labour and Tory parties, the Sunday Herald can reveal. 

Grand Master Jim McHarg said the Orange Order now had more elected politicians in Scotland among its membership than at any time in nearly 20 years. He said the organisation had members on councils in North and East Ayrshire, as well as in South and North Lanarkshire.

Members of the Orange Order could now sit on council committees that will make decisions on local education policy, including the funding of Catholic schools.

 

Could you imagine any other organisation in this country not only being allowed to bar membership to someone due to their religion, but actually receiving Government funding?

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The whole Orange walk is nothing more than a few misguided fuckwits singing a fee songs.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that you have the background that you say you do if you look on the Loyalist shite in Scotland as a "few misguided fuckwits singing a few songs". I know of not one single person of Catholic background who'd be so quick to dismiss it in such a way.

And let's be honest, if it were any other group of people who were being given Government funding and being allowed to march through the streets of Glasgow singing about how they lord it over a religious minority I doubt it would be dismissed so easily.

Maybe you see things differently, but this isn't a "few misguided fuckwits" in my opinion;

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And without dismissing and trivialising experiences, religion is a choice, skin colour isn't. 

I see plenty of people telling those pesky Muslims that very thing all the time on social media. Can't say that I really agree with that to be honest.

Anyway, we've veered off-topic so probably best to leave it be.

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I'd say the "religion is a choice" aspect is only true to a point - the right-wing arsehole who hates Muslims probably isn't particularly concerned with the finer points of Islamic dogma, they just hate anyone looking vaguely brown. And the Orange Order are going to hate you if your family are Catholic and you're from the "wrong" part of town, even if you don't personally identify as Catholic. The "choice" becomes a non-issue when, where it counts, it's not your choice to make.

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I was even baptised David. Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean I'm lying. I've walked by many orange walks and only felt sorrow for the idiots, and mild annoyance because they held up my bus due to road closures. Comparing the catholic/protestant thing in Scotland to racism and homophobia is ludicrous. It's just a silly football thing, with very few incidents, unless you count bald men singing "offensive" songs on a train to be an incident.

How does it affect your day to day life, David?

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1 hour ago, BomberPat said:

I'd say the "religion is a choice" aspect is only true to a point - the right-wing arsehole who hates Muslims probably isn't particularly concerned with the finer points of Islamic dogma, they just hate anyone looking vaguely brown. 

That's the first thing I call out the usual wankers on. Whenever I hear "Islam isn't a race", I just say "you know exactly what's being said, so don't you fucking come it with me". 

As to the Catholic/Protestant thing, I'm not so na√Įf to believe it isn't a problem in Scotland, as the regular Old Firm grief that pops up on the news occasionally over the usual stupid fuckery will testify, but I honestly though the whole Orange thing was more a NI problem, given that the battle supposedly being commemorated took place in Ireland. The idiocy of the entire issue astounds me.

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I live on the other side of Scotland from you chaps, so it's not nearly as rife- although occasionally you do find a reasonable person turns into a complete div when the subject of their favoured Old Firm team turns up, now and again. Sadly, Glasgow has quite appalling institutional divides in relation to the old religion. All manner of shady rumours about the powerful and their intentions being swung by their particular beliefs. A few friends went to Uni in Glasgow and, while none had a dog in the race, they could feel the weight of it on Glasgow, from time to time.

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2 hours ago, David said:

I see plenty of people telling those pesky Muslims that very thing all the time on social media. Can't say that I really agree with that to be honest.

But as has been pointed out, the majority of that is because of the colour of their skin.  I grew up in an Irish Catholic community in the midlands at the time of the pub bombings, it wasn't fun being spat at.  As I say, I'm not dismissing or trivialising any discriminatory incidents.  I remember John Junor wrote in a Sunday paper how he wished the Irish had green skin so that you could spot them and see them in plain sight.

And that's my initial point.  You can't tell which Christian sect someone is from by what they are wearing but you know the colour of someones skin.  You could be an Orangeman and convert to Catholicism, can't do that with you skin colour, unless you're Michael Jackson.  My understanding is the Catholic/Protestant prejudice comes from hidden stuff, such as an employer looking at your CV and seeing which school you went to and hiring or not hiring accordingly, things like that.

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